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Re: [Pharo-project] about sluggines on linux

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this is nice I will give a try thursday (now travelling). Stef On Dec 6, 2009, at 11:24 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > Ok, well you don' t need to run special software. You just need to use a non-optimized VM > The *worst* case is turn 32bit mode on, and use Rosetta > I've put a non-optimized VM in the experimental folder/COCOA > via > http://smalltalkconsulting.com/squeak.html > called > Squeak V5 SLOW VERSION FOR TESTING DO NOT USE FOR GENERAL USE.app.zip > That gives you something that is like 8 or 10 times slower than normal. > > Perhaps someone can run some benchmarks other than tinybenchmarks to confirm? > > 64bit mode, 32bit image > > '52805280 bytecodes/sec; 1763285 sends/sec' > '55030094 bytecodes/sec; 1738242 sends/sec' > '57040998 bytecodes/sec; 1704137 sends/sec' > '57091882 bytecodes/sec; 1741615 sends/sec' > '57040998 bytecodes/sec; 1736000 sends/sec' > '56888888 bytecodes/sec; 1765598 sends/sec' > '57193923 bytecodes/sec; 1749536 sends/sec' > '57142857 bytecodes/sec; 1732649 sends/sec' > '56487202 bytecodes/sec; 1722672 sends/sec' > '55797733 bytecodes/sec; 1629865 sends/sec' > > 32bit mode via Get Info , 32bit image > '62439024 bytecodes/sec; 1779601 sends/sec' > '62439024 bytecodes/sec; 1780778 sends/sec' > '63054187 bytecodes/sec; 1787873 sends/sec' > '61895551 bytecodes/sec; 1796222 sends/sec' > '62930186 bytecodes/sec; 1804649 sends/sec' > '62439024 bytecodes/sec; 1818053 sends/sec' > '62317429 bytecodes/sec; 1826687 sends/sec' > '62930186 bytecodes/sec; 1831657 sends/sec' > '63178677 bytecodes/sec; 1807071 sends/sec' > '62015503 bytecodes/sec; 1815601 sends/sec' > > 32bit mode via Get Info , 32bit image, Rosette mode aka PowerPC emulation on MacIntel > '38905775 bytecodes/sec; 1264497 sends/sec' > '39191671 bytecodes/sec; 1265459 sends/sec' > '39215686 bytecodes/sec; 1235396 sends/sec' > '39384615 bytecodes/sec; 1241850 sends/sec' > '39000609 bytecodes/sec; 1274179 sends/sec' > '39384615 bytecodes/sec; 1256857 sends/sec' > '39287906 bytecodes/sec; 1247435 sends/sec' > '39825762 bytecodes/sec; 1238154 sends/sec' > '39312039 bytecodes/sec; 1245568 sends/sec' > '38787878 bytecodes/sec; 1260665 sends/sec' > > Normally, optimized > 64bit mode, 32bit image CHEATING > '433530906 bytecodes/sec; 13051576 sends/sec' > '432432432 bytecodes/sec; 13042352 sends/sec' > '433898305 bytecodes/sec; 13051576 sends/sec' > '433530906 bytecodes/sec; 13042352 sends/sec' > '433898305 bytecodes/sec; 12941745 sends/sec' > '433898305 bytecodes/sec; 13023944 sends/sec' > '414910858 bytecodes/sec; 12815922 sends/sec' > '433898305 bytecodes/sec; 13005587 sends/sec' > '433164128 bytecodes/sec; 13005587 sends/sec' > '434266327 bytecodes/sec; 12444321 sends/sec' > > > > On 2009-12-06, at 2:58 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Ok excellent then. I should chekc because I have first generation powerbook around. >> >> On PC they have a tools that slow donw a computer to get the same power as an old one. > >>>> The conclusion is that we should continue to work on making it faster. >>>> >>>> Arthuro >>>> using 1.1 >>>> changing the theme >>>> using StrikeFont installDejaVu >>>> and setting up the fonts give a better feel >>>> >>>> Does anybody know a software slowing down a mac (because the problem is that >>>> I'm not sure that I can run a closure VM on a old mac I have) >>>> so that we could do some tests on slow machines? >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > >

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] about sluggines on linux

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this is nice I will give a try thursday (now travelling). Stef On Dec 6, 2009, at 11:24 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > Ok, well you don' t need to run special software. You just need to use a non-optimized VM > The *worst* case is turn 32bit mode on, and use Rosetta > I've put a non-optimized VM in the experimental folder/COCOA > via > http://smalltalkconsulting.com/squeak.html > called > Squeak V5 SLOW VERSION FOR TESTING DO NOT USE FOR GENERAL USE.app.zip > That gives you something that is like 8 or 10 times slower than normal. > > Perhaps someone can run some benchmarks other than tinybenchmarks to confirm? > > 64bit mode, 32bit image > > '52805280 bytecodes/sec; 1763285 sends/sec' > '55030094 bytecodes/sec; 1738242 sends/sec' > '57040998 bytecodes/sec; 1704137 sends/sec' > '57091882 bytecodes/sec; 1741615 sends/sec' > '57040998 bytecodes/sec; 1736000 sends/sec' > '56888888 bytecodes/sec; 1765598 sends/sec' > '57193923 bytecodes/sec; 1749536 sends/sec' > '57142857 bytecodes/sec; 1732649 sends/sec' > '56487202 bytecodes/sec; 1722672 sends/sec' > '55797733 bytecodes/sec; 1629865 sends/sec' > > 32bit mode via Get Info , 32bit image > '62439024 bytecodes/sec; 1779601 sends/sec' > '62439024 bytecodes/sec; 1780778 sends/sec' > '63054187 bytecodes/sec; 1787873 sends/sec' > '61895551 bytecodes/sec; 1796222 sends/sec' > '62930186 bytecodes/sec; 1804649 sends/sec' > '62439024 bytecodes/sec; 1818053 sends/sec' > '62317429 bytecodes/sec; 1826687 sends/sec' > '62930186 bytecodes/sec; 1831657 sends/sec' > '63178677 bytecodes/sec; 1807071 sends/sec' > '62015503 bytecodes/sec; 1815601 sends/sec' > > 32bit mode via Get Info , 32bit image, Rosette mode aka PowerPC emulation on MacIntel > '38905775 bytecodes/sec; 1264497 sends/sec' > '39191671 bytecodes/sec; 1265459 sends/sec' > '39215686 bytecodes/sec; 1235396 sends/sec' > '39384615 bytecodes/sec; 1241850 sends/sec' > '39000609 bytecodes/sec; 1274179 sends/sec' > '39384615 bytecodes/sec; 1256857 sends/sec' > '39287906 bytecodes/sec; 1247435 sends/sec' > '39825762 bytecodes/sec; 1238154 sends/sec' > '39312039 bytecodes/sec; 1245568 sends/sec' > '38787878 bytecodes/sec; 1260665 sends/sec' > > Normally, optimized > 64bit mode, 32bit image CHEATING > '433530906 bytecodes/sec; 13051576 sends/sec' > '432432432 bytecodes/sec; 13042352 sends/sec' > '433898305 bytecodes/sec; 13051576 sends/sec' > '433530906 bytecodes/sec; 13042352 sends/sec' > '433898305 bytecodes/sec; 12941745 sends/sec' > '433898305 bytecodes/sec; 13023944 sends/sec' > '414910858 bytecodes/sec; 12815922 sends/sec' > '433898305 bytecodes/sec; 13005587 sends/sec' > '433164128 bytecodes/sec; 13005587 sends/sec' > '434266327 bytecodes/sec; 12444321 sends/sec' > > > > On 2009-12-06, at 2:58 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Ok excellent then. I should chekc because I have first generation powerbook around. >> >> On PC they have a tools that slow donw a computer to get the same power as an old one. > >>>> The conclusion is that we should continue to work on making it faster. >>>> >>>> Arthuro >>>> using 1.1 >>>> changing the theme >>>> using StrikeFont installDejaVu >>>> and setting up the fonts give a better feel >>>> >>>> Does anybody know a software slowing down a mac (because the problem is that >>>> I'm not sure that I can run a closure VM on a old mac I have) >>>> so that we could do some tests on slow machines? >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > >

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo images

by laurent laffont

I've just built Squeak-3.11.3.2135 from sources and it works fine. The screenshot was taken using exupery-vm 0.15.2d. I've tried 0.15.2f, it's better but not perfect. Laurent. 2009/12/7 Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> > Are you using an up-to-date Unix VM? > IIRC, that particular issue was fixed back in June or so, and I think > they're included in the latest version on squeakvm.org. > > Cheers, > Henry > > On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:11 15AM, laurent laffont wrote: > > On Linux with composition enabled (I use KDE 4.3 on ArchLinux) there's a > problem with font rendering. See screenshot. > > Laurent > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Based on 1.0 rc1 and 1.1 alpha: http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > <pharo_10500.png>_______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo images

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, this seems to be a problem of the exupery vm that is offered by Pharo web site. The version 3.11.3-2135 works fine. Cheers, -- Pavel 2009/12/7 Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no>: > Are you using an up-to-date Unix VM? > IIRC, that particular issue was fixed back in June or so, and I think > they're included in the latest version on squeakvm.org. > Cheers, > Henry > On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:11 15AM, laurent laffont wrote: > > On Linux with composition enabled (I use KDE 4.3 on ArchLinux) there's a > problem with font rendering. See screenshot. > Laurent > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Based on 1.0 rc1 and 1.1 alpha: http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > <pharo_10500.png>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] VMMaker in Pharo.

by Henrik Johansen

An order that works: - Load PharoSound from squeaksource - Figure out a way to load Alien, if you need it :) (I believe you'd need Alien-Core, Alien-Platform-Core, Alien-VMMaker-*, not 100% certain) - Open VMMaker repository - Browse the update-package, and update it from repositories. - Load it. (A few of them will raise warnings, but no essential ones) That should be a good starting point for builing a Metacello definition ;) Cheers, Henry On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:53 00AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi! I need to load VMMaker and I was reading this link: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/BuildingAVMOnPharo > > I tried with the gofer script but it doesn't work in new Gofer version, as I need to change add: for addPackage: > There were also a problem with the ladrillos repo which was with lowcase instead of uppercase. The correct Gofer script to load VMMaker is: > > |gofer| > > "Create Gofer Object" > gofer := Gofer new. > > "Load the FFI package" > ScriptLoader loadFFI. > > "add the Speech packages" > gofer squeaksource: 'Ladrillos'; > addPackage: 'Speech-Klatt'. > > "add VMMaker Packages" > gofer squeaksource: 'VMMaker'; > addPackage:'VMMaker'. > > "add Alien Support Packages" > gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; > addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'. > > " Load " > gofer load. > > > > Now...the question is, can I create ScriptLoader>>loadVMMaker? If true, I create and issue and submit the code. > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] VMMaker in Pharo.

by David T. Lewis

On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 11:53:00AM +0100, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi! I need to load VMMaker and I was reading this link: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/BuildingAVMOnPharo > > I tried with the gofer script but it doesn't work in new Gofer version, as I > need to change add: for addPackage: > There were also a problem with the ladrillos repo which was with lowcase > instead of uppercase. The correct Gofer script to load VMMaker is: > > |gofer| > > "Create Gofer Object" > gofer := Gofer new. > > "Load the FFI package" > ScriptLoader loadFFI. > > "add the Speech packages" > gofer squeaksource: 'Ladrillos'; > addPackage: 'Speech-Klatt'. > > "add VMMaker Packages" > gofer squeaksource: 'VMMaker'; > addPackage:'VMMaker'. > > "add Alien Support Packages" > gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; > addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'. > > " Load " > gofer load. You may want to refer to this configuration map for some other packages to load with VMMaker: http://squeaksource.com/VMMaker/update-dtl.2.mcm Dave

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo images

by Henrik Johansen

Are you using an up-to-date Unix VM? IIRC, that particular issue was fixed back in June or so, and I think they're included in the latest version on squeakvm.org. Cheers, Henry On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:11 15AM, laurent laffont wrote: > On Linux with composition enabled (I use KDE 4.3 on ArchLinux) there's a problem with font rendering. See screenshot. > > Laurent > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Based on 1.0 rc1 and 1.1 alpha: http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > <pharo_10500.png>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 7, 2009

[Pharo-project] VMMaker in Pharo.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi! I need to load VMMaker and I was reading this link: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/BuildingAVMOnPharo I tried with the gofer script but it doesn't work in new Gofer version, as I need to change add: for addPackage: There were also a problem with the ladrillos repo which was with lowcase instead of uppercase. The correct Gofer script to load VMMaker is: |gofer| "Create Gofer Object" gofer := Gofer new. "Load the FFI package" ScriptLoader loadFFI. "add the Speech packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Ladrillos'; addPackage: 'Speech-Klatt'. "add VMMaker Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'VMMaker'; addPackage:'VMMaker'. "add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'. " Load " gofer load. Now...the question is, can I create ScriptLoader>>loadVMMaker? If true, I create and issue and submit the code. Cheers, Mariano

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo images

by laurent laffont

On Linux with composition enabled (I use KDE 4.3 on ArchLinux) there's a problem with font rendering. See screenshot. Laurent On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Based on 1.0 rc1 and 1.1 alpha: http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo images

by Niko Schwarz

The alpha image runs into a deprecation warning, caused by Preferences class>annotationPanes, called by OBSystemBrowser class(OBCodeBrowser class)>>annotationPanel as soon as you open a browser. Cheers, Niko On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Based on 1.0 rc1 and 1.1 alpha: http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- http://scg.unibe.ch/staff/Schwarz twitter.com/nes1983 Tel: +41 076 235 8683

Dec. 7, 2009