December 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] EventInterceptor and MessageSendTree

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

hernan this sounds cool. Keep pushing that. We need better tools to analyseour living system. stef On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:25 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Hi Alex, > Of course, I'm using it to observe what's the best place to hook an > interceptor (like a method wrapper) for a wayfinder tool I'm > developing, i.e. modeling conceptual route knowledge and then > replaying landmarked routes for learning purposes. Implementing a > keylogger could be another interesting place to start using this tool > as you may see all the possible methods to intercept a keystroke. > Concerning debugging I didn't experimented, but maybe a situation > where a click freezes the image...IIRC there was a bug in Pharo trying > to grab the world and then releasing the attached world... now is > somewhat closed but is a possible scenario to see the stack trace. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2009/12/6 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> Hi HernÃ¡n, >> >> Can you describe a situation when you needed this? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 6 Dec 2009, at 04:25, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> I've attached a little cool tool for intercepting Morphic events I >>> just resurrected today, from the class comments: >>> >>> This morph is a button which, when pressed, begins listening to the >>> hand's event stream. When an even of the appropriate type is >>> encountered, this morph intercepts it and traces the dispatch of the >>> event using MessageSendTree, and opens a SendTreeExplorer on the >>> results. This is useful for debugging parts of the UI process which >>> are otherwise difficult to trace. The eventType can be any of the >>> Morphic event types, but #mouseUp, #mouseDown, and #keystroke are by >>> far the most useful because they are the triggers for the majority of >>> actual UI activity. >>> >>> This is a list of morphic events to try: >>> >>> #mouseDown >>> #mouseMove >>> #mouseUp >>> #mouseOver >>> #mouseEnter >>> #mouseLeave >>> #mouseLeaveDragging >>> >>> #keystroke >>> #keyDown >>> #keyUp >>> >>> #unknown >>> #click >>> >>> To install it load first MessageSendTree. The original author is Jesse >>> Welton http://jwelton.v-space.org/squeak/ >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> HernÃ¡n >>> <MessageSendTree-hfm.1.mcz><EventInterceptor-hfm. >>> 1.mcz>_______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 9, 2009

[Pharo-project] gofer is cooooool

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

now with the pull I could dl all the petitParser...coral and work in the library without net. My gut feeling is that you will soon do Sync :) Here is what I do rigth now. I imagine that soon or later somebody will do a simple interface or add button to MCBrowser to do that with one menu. sync "to sync local and remote repositories" "self sync" Gofer new squeaksource: 'Coral'; addVersion: 'Coral'; addVersion: 'LoadCoral'; push. Gofer new squeaksource: 'Coral'; addVersion: 'Coral'; addVersion: 'LoadCoral'; pull. Stef

Dec. 9, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Gofer git

by Sean Allen

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:28 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>wrote: > Hi guys > > I do not know if you noticed that with the latest version of Gofer you can > get a full git behavior > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; > addPackage: 'RPackage'; > pull > > to pull all the packages pubslihed and fill up your local cache > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; > addPackage: 'RPackage'; > push > > to push your local saved versions to the repository.... > > Of course it means that you can build a database and when you run your > script > the cache is checked first.... so yes you can work in the train :) > > Tx lukas > > That is awesome.

Dec. 9, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] can I debug a primitive?

by Alexandre Bergel

> now, the question is, should I be able to put a self halt there and > debug it? I tried but I did nothing. Is this possible ? I thought > it was :( I do not know for now, for few years ago you could. Simply adding a 'self halt' in the VM code or pressing Cmd-. while executing would popup a debugger. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 9, 2009

[Pharo-project] [Fwd: Re: DeprecationHistory]

by Alain Plantec

Dec. 9, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] EventInterceptor and MessageSendTree

by Alexandre Bergel

Looks good! Do you visualize those landmarked routes? Cheers, Alexandre On 7 Dec 2009, at 18:25, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Hi Alex, > Of course, I'm using it to observe what's the best place to hook an > interceptor (like a method wrapper) for a wayfinder tool I'm > developing, i.e. modeling conceptual route knowledge and then > replaying landmarked routes for learning purposes. Implementing a > keylogger could be another interesting place to start using this tool > as you may see all the possible methods to intercept a keystroke. > Concerning debugging I didn't experimented, but maybe a situation > where a click freezes the image...IIRC there was a bug in Pharo trying > to grab the world and then releasing the attached world... now is > somewhat closed but is a possible scenario to see the stack trace. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2009/12/6 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> Hi HernÃ¡n, >> >> Can you describe a situation when you needed this? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 6 Dec 2009, at 04:25, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> I've attached a little cool tool for intercepting Morphic events I >>> just resurrected today, from the class comments: >>> >>> This morph is a button which, when pressed, begins listening to the >>> hand's event stream. When an even of the appropriate type is >>> encountered, this morph intercepts it and traces the dispatch of the >>> event using MessageSendTree, and opens a SendTreeExplorer on the >>> results. This is useful for debugging parts of the UI process which >>> are otherwise difficult to trace. The eventType can be any of the >>> Morphic event types, but #mouseUp, #mouseDown, and #keystroke are by >>> far the most useful because they are the triggers for the majority >>> of >>> actual UI activity. >>> >>> This is a list of morphic events to try: >>> >>> #mouseDown >>> #mouseMove >>> #mouseUp >>> #mouseOver >>> #mouseEnter >>> #mouseLeave >>> #mouseLeaveDragging >>> >>> #keystroke >>> #keyDown >>> #keyUp >>> >>> #unknown >>> #click >>> >>> To install it load first MessageSendTree. The original author is >>> Jesse >>> Welton http://jwelton.v-space.org/squeak/ >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> HernÃ¡n >>> <MessageSendTree-hfm.1.mcz><EventInterceptor-hfm. >>> 1.mcz>_______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 9, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Win32 Installers for 1.0 and 1.1alpha

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:37 PM, astares(a)gmx.de wrote: > The download page now includes TWO new setups for Win32 > > - Windows Installer 1.0-10500-rc1dev09.12.1 (Pharo 1.0 RC1) > - Windows Installer 1.1-11073-alphadev09.12.1 (Pharo 1.1 Alpha) > > similar to the ones release by Damien. > > The splash now also shows if it is the release candidate or the alpha. > Now also successfully tested on a Windows7 machine. > > Bye > T. > > > > -- > Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - > sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 9, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] package documentation viewer

by Alexandre Bergel

Looks good. Maybe this could be part of the Pharo website no ? Alexandre On 9 Dec 2009, at 07:49, laurent laffont wrote: > Hi, > > for fun and *for me*, I've made a small Seaside app to quickly > browse all documentation in a Pharo image. > It's package oriented, all classes and selectors comment on a > single page, so I can use search and print functions of my web > browser. > > Someone might have a use of it. It's here: http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleWebDoc.html > Screenshots: http://picasaweb.google.fr/laurent.laffont/Simplewebdoc > > Laurent > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 9, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] macintosh cocoa 32/64bit & 64/64bit VM goes BETA

by Marcus Denker

Hi, This "image need a while after update" is normal. I think it has to do with the really bad Weak* stuff... We should look at the fixes that Martin von Loewis did back in end of 2007 when he visited SCG. Marcus On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > Hi John, it was not the pharo image, but the pharo core image. You > can get them direct from the inria download area. This is linked off > the pharo-project site. 11049 was an internal update so start from > > http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/24763/PharoCore-1.1-11043-alpha.zip > > I will do this myself just to check the test case. > > thanks, > Mike > > On Monday, December 7, 2009, John M McIntosh > <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote: >> Ah, if someone can describe the test case: >> >> which I think is take a pharo 1.1 core 11049 then do update? >> I'll see where it's hung. >> >> would that be the >> pharo1.1-11073-alphadev09.12.1.zip >> or >> pharo1.1-11073-alphaweb09.12.1.zip >> >> from the 1.1 alpha links on the main pharo web page? >> >> >> On 2009-12-07, at 1:33 PM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: >> >>> That's pretty normal, it's happened to me a lot of times, at least. >>> If you leave if for a while, it'll starts responding again. >>> No idea why it happens though, I glanced at the code one time it >>> happened, but no neurons fired :/ >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Henry >>> >>> On 07.12.2009 21:49, Michael Roberts wrote: >>>> Hi, I did a quick test on the 32bit version on 10.5.8. I took a pharo >>>> 1.1 core 11049 and told it to update from the network. It processed >>>> all the updates (took some time) and drew the "ok" dialog. However it >>>> then hung. I am not sure if that is related to the VM or not. in a >>>> spare moment I will dig deeper. >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM, John M McIntosh >>>> <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2009-12-04, at 4:30 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> john needs beta testers....Do not forget >>>>>>> I know that we are all terribly busy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes , *cough* feedback and response has been zero... >>>>> Maybe I should push the self-destruct button on the 3.x, 4.x VM series. >>>>> Where is that red button? Must be here somewhere in the office clutter... >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> =========================================================================== >>>>> John M. McIntosh<johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 >>>>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com >>>>> =========================================================================== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> =========================================================================== >> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 >> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com >> =========================================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 9, 2009

[Pharo-project] [Policital] skip if not interested

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

http://www.anoncontest.org/ against scientology Stef (I support this action because I hate brainwashers)

Dec. 9, 2009