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Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Mariano, 2009/12/16 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > This is an excellent job. Congratulations HernÃ¡n. > > I have a question....how could you draw the photo instead of the array of > bytes on the browser?Â I really hate when developing with seaside and I have > some pictures in my filelibrary class and when I browse them I see the array > of bits...but I want to see the picture!!! That was a tricky one, see the implementors of #mbViewContainer and #mbView. You will catch the pattern (container -> view -> real object) if you step from OBMObjectDefinitionPanel>>updateModel: Cheers, HernÃ¡n > > Thanks > > Mariano > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:18 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> Â I did a new Browser for the Magma object-oriented database, >> implemented on top of the OmniBrowser framework. I've uploaded a demo >> video in YouTube for the impatient : >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk >> >> The project Home Page is : http://swikicaicyt.homeip.net/WebOpus/56 >> (you may access to other projects using >> http://www.caicyt.gov.ar/letodoc/paquetes-publicados) you will find >> there pre-built images ready for download for both Pharo and Squeak, >> besides installation instructions for installing and testing the >> MagmaBrowser in your image. Currently the status is under testing and >> bug-fixing, and I know there is a lot of things I should include, but >> you may take a look anyway as I browsed local repositories without >> problems last times I've used it, so I hope you may find it useful >> too. >> >> Finally, I want to publicly thank to Norberto Manzanos for letting me >> doing this, Chris Muller for his nice reviews and the OmniBrowser >> developers for mantaining such a great framework. >> >> HernÃ¡n >> _______________________________________________ >> Magma mailing list >> Magma(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/magma > >

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] need hunter to kill the double paste bug.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

yes, it worked :) Now I have to wait until the double paste appear! 2009/12/16 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > yes it seems that there is a problem :) > > Houston? > > it should be an handMorph > > sendKeyboardEvent: anEvent > "Send the event to the morph currently holding the focus, or if none > to > the owner of the hand." > ServiceShortcuts handleKeystroke: anEvent. > > LastEvents size > 10 > ifTrue: [LastEvents removeFirst]. > LastEvents add: anEvent clone. > > ^ self > sendEvent: anEvent > focus: self keyboardFocus > clear: [self keyboardFocus: nil] > > > > > tell me if this one works > > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > When I try to file in the .ch I get a sintax error > > > > Nothing more expected ->sendKeyboardEvent: anEvent > > "Send the event to the morph currently holding the focus, or if none > to > > the owner of the hand." > > ServiceShortcuts handleKeystroke: anEvent. > > > > LastEvents size > 10 > > ifTrue: [LastEvents removeFirst]. > > LastEvents add: anEvent clone. > > > > ^ self > > sendEvent: anEvent > > focus: self keyboardFocus > > clear: [self keyboardFocus: nil] > > > > > > stef, did it work for you? > > > > > > 2009/12/16 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > > Hi all, > > > > > > attached a little patch to capture events and paste buffer. > > > > > > If you encounter a double paste please take a look at > > > LastClipPaste and LastEvents. > > > > > > If this doesn't provide any clue, I will work out a more aggressive > tracing approach. > > > > > > Didn't send it to the list as it patches into system methods. > > > > So as mike says pay attention this is hackish :) > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <alex(a)schenkman.info> wrote: > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. You can't. Do you misss that feature? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] need hunter to kill the double paste bug.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

yes it seems that there is a problem :) Houston? it should be an handMorph sendKeyboardEvent: anEvent "Send the event to the morph currently holding the focus, or if none to the owner of the hand." ServiceShortcuts handleKeystroke: anEvent. LastEvents size > 10 ifTrue: [LastEvents removeFirst]. LastEvents add: anEvent clone. ^ self sendEvent: anEvent focus: self keyboardFocus clear: [self keyboardFocus: nil] tell me if this one works On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > When I try to file in the .ch I get a sintax error > > Nothing more expected ->sendKeyboardEvent: anEvent > "Send the event to the morph currently holding the focus, or if none to > the owner of the hand." > ServiceShortcuts handleKeystroke: anEvent. > > LastEvents size > 10 > ifTrue: [LastEvents removeFirst]. > LastEvents add: anEvent clone. > > ^ self > sendEvent: anEvent > focus: self keyboardFocus > clear: [self keyboardFocus: nil] > > > stef, did it work for you? > > > 2009/12/16 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > Hi all, > > > > attached a little patch to capture events and paste buffer. > > > > If you encounter a double paste please take a look at > > LastClipPaste and LastEvents. > > > > If this doesn't provide any clue, I will work out a more aggressive tracing approach. > > > > Didn't send it to the list as it patches into system methods. > > So as mike says pay attention this is hackish :) > > > > Michael > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I would like the same for UML document in packages :) Stef On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > This is an excellent job. Congratulations HernÃ¡n. > > I have a question....how could you draw the photo instead of the array of bytes on the browser? I really hate when developing with seaside and I have some pictures in my filelibrary class and when I browse them I see the array of bits...but I want to see the picture!!! > > Thanks > > Mariano > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:18 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > I did a new Browser for the Magma object-oriented database, > implemented on top of the OmniBrowser framework. I've uploaded a demo > video in YouTube for the impatient : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk > > The project Home Page is : http://swikicaicyt.homeip.net/WebOpus/56 > (you may access to other projects using > http://www.caicyt.gov.ar/letodoc/paquetes-publicados) you will find > there pre-built images ready for download for both Pharo and Squeak, > besides installation instructions for installing and testing the > MagmaBrowser in your image. Currently the status is under testing and > bug-fixing, and I know there is a lot of things I should include, but > you may take a look anyway as I browsed local repositories without > problems last times I've used it, so I hope you may find it useful > too. > > Finally, I want to publicly thank to Norberto Manzanos for letting me > doing this, Chris Muller for his nice reviews and the OmniBrowser > developers for mantaining such a great framework. > > HernÃ¡n > _______________________________________________ > Magma mailing list > Magma(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/magma > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by Mariano Martinez Peck

This is an excellent job. Congratulations HernÃ¡n. I have a question....how could you draw the photo instead of the array of bytes on the browser? I really hate when developing with seaside and I have some pictures in my filelibrary class and when I browse them I see the array of bits...but I want to see the picture!!! Thanks Mariano On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:18 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > I did a new Browser for the Magma object-oriented database, > implemented on top of the OmniBrowser framework. I've uploaded a demo > video in YouTube for the impatient : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk > > The project Home Page is : http://swikicaicyt.homeip.net/WebOpus/56 > (you may access to other projects using > http://www.caicyt.gov.ar/letodoc/paquetes-publicados) you will find > there pre-built images ready for download for both Pharo and Squeak, > besides installation instructions for installing and testing the > MagmaBrowser in your image. Currently the status is under testing and > bug-fixing, and I know there is a lot of things I should include, but > you may take a look anyway as I browsed local repositories without > problems last times I've used it, so I hope you may find it useful > too. > > Finally, I want to publicly thank to Norberto Manzanos for letting me > doing this, Chris Muller for his nice reviews and the OmniBrowser > developers for mantaining such a great framework. > > HernÃ¡n > _______________________________________________ > Magma mailing list > Magma(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/magma >

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Problems with Czech accented characters

by Adrian Lienhard

I added an entry to the FAQ. Adrian On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:16 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr >> wrote: > >> go! >> >> > I don't have access to the website :( > > Adrian ? > > >> On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> I think this stuff of encoding is important. Maybe we should ask >>> an entry >> in F.A.Q saying something like this: >>> >>> " >>> When I type certain characters a '?' is displayed instead of the >>> real >> problem. >>> >>> The standard font in Pharo covers the latin-15 character set. >>> Which means >> it should be able to display Ã¡ÃÃ©, with a Unicode conversion >>> table. However, all input outside ascii range is in Unicode, so to >> display those you need to >>> - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font >>> included >>> previously) >>> - Change the fonts used to the one you know support those characters >>> from the world right click menu, in System -> Preferences -> System >> fonts. >>> " >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> Thanks for your feedback. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Martin PolÃ¡k wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting...I copied 'Fonts' folder from older Pharo dist. to new >>>> one and now I can see all system fonts installed on my Mac. So I >>>> have >>>> chosen Monaco font for code and all characters were displayed >>>> correctly. So problem is gone, I hope. Thanks for your time. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 16, 2009

[Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Dear all, I did a new Browser for the Magma object-oriented database, implemented on top of the OmniBrowser framework. I've uploaded a demo video in YouTube for the impatient : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk The project Home Page is : http://swikicaicyt.homeip.net/WebOpus/56 (you may access to other projects using http://www.caicyt.gov.ar/letodoc/paquetes-publicados) you will find there pre-built images ready for download for both Pharo and Squeak, besides installation instructions for installing and testing the MagmaBrowser in your image. Currently the status is under testing and bug-fixing, and I know there is a lot of things I should include, but you may take a look anyway as I browsed local repositories without problems last times I've used it, so I hope you may find it useful too. Finally, I want to publicly thank to Norberto Manzanos for letting me doing this, Chris Muller for his nice reviews and the OmniBrowser developers for mantaining such a great framework. HernÃ¡n

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Problems with Czech accented characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > go! > > I don't have access to the website :( Adrian ? > On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > I think this stuff of encoding is important. Maybe we should ask an entry > in F.A.Q saying something like this: > > > > " > > When I type certain characters a '?' is displayed instead of the real > problem. > > > > The standard font in Pharo covers the latin-15 character set. Which means > it should be able to display Ã¡ÃÃ©, with a Unicode conversion > > table. However, all input outside ascii range is in Unicode, so to > display those you need to > > - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font included > > previously) > > - Change the fonts used to the one you know support those characters > > from the world right click menu, in System -> Preferences -> System > fonts. > > " > > > > What do you think? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > Stef > > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Martin PolÃ¡k wrote: > > > > > Interesting...I copied 'Fonts' folder from older Pharo dist. to new > > > one and now I can see all system fonts installed on my Mac. So I have > > > chosen Monaco font for code and all characters were displayed > > > correctly. So problem is gone, I hope. Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Stuff

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

You are too meta for me :) What do you suggest in basic terms (yes this is too early for me but my brain is starting to work again). Now just a point. The squeak archives is full of our history. Historians can go there and get the why we are here, what we did and what was the problem at that point. And I believe that they will really deeply understand. We only did one fork, some other did multiple ones but apparently they had the rights to do so. Newcomers can judge but may be they are wrong too :) Guys let us continue build a shiny future this is more fun than ego problems. My goal with pharo is - to create a world where people can make a living with an open-source smalltalk. - make it credible to the outside world (you know python, ruby, lua, java....) - make sure that we can adapt to the future changes - be the substrate of people new inventions - learn and expand my knowledge Stef PS: I should not have forwarded this mail, I was dreaming about a better world but it does not exist so let us continue On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:04 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Hi all, > For people out of the discussion, a secret to approach this kind of > highly-technical and political dialogs is to perform one or many > dialectical shifts to a meta-dialog framework. Sadly, now there is few > people in the world with enough knowledge in technology and rethorics > to do that in acceptable time (without being payed of course). > The better we can do now is not to break implicit debate rules, i.e. > not to leave conversations, and not use "ad hominem" attacks which are > two very common fallacies. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2009/12/16 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> I will reply because this situation is silly and keith has some good points. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: keith <keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> Date: 2009/12/16 >> Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Stuff >> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list >> <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> >> >> >>> So the question is, has ever been considered to simply build the bridge >>> between >>> communities and to use the PharoCore image as the base for Squeak? >> >> This wouldn't work for the same reasons that it wouldn't work to use a >> Squeak-trunk image as the basis for Pharo. You should propose that at >> some point just to see what kind of reaction you get ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> - Andreas >> >> Yes please propose it. That is an excellent idea. Lets use the PharoCore >> image as the base for future Squeak releases! It would work excellently, it >> might require some humility from Andreas. In my opinion it is the only >> sensible way forward. >> Let me divulge a little secret here, the biggest reason that we kept the >> original 3.11 development always said to be about "process" and not about >> the actual release image, is that with a decent image building and testing >> process in place it would then have been possible to build and test a future >> squeak release pilot on top of some of the pharo-core packages. For us Pharo >> was simply a pilot project moving the core forward that we could borrow the >> best bits from it as appropriate. By adopting pharo in carefully integrated >> pieces we would perhaps of stood a chance of keeping the community together. >> The annoying thing was that Pharo team seemed to be insisting on diverging >> far more than was necessary and consistently refused to adopt any shared >> values or code that would have made this approach easier, we really need as >> a starting point, shared code loading tools, package management tools, and >> shared testing tools at the very least. i.e. Installer, and MC1.5/6 were >> developed with this in mind, and so was SUnit-improved, but the Pharo team >> refused to touch either of these projects. >> The more that the squeak-core image changes (i.e. in trunk) without tracking >> pharo's core packages the more diverse and impossible future integration >> will become. The old 3.11 effort was about having the tools to enable >> packages to be developed and tested in both Pharo and Squeak and all other >> forks, and then extending this to suggest common core packages as a way >> forward for everyone. >> So now that our to-be carefully planned evolution of squeak-core, using >> pharo for inspiration, has been trashed by random hacking on trunk, adopting >> PharoCore as a base image is probably the viable way forward for this >> community to remain viable. >> You already know that I don't see the squeak community as viable, since it >> eats its young. >> Sooner or later the board or someone will realize this, they will get >> elected to the board, and all those of you who have been working hard on >> trunk will discover that all your contributions have been wasted. Never mind >> eh. >> Keith >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> CÃ©drick >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 16, 2009