December 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

but this is class diagram in hierarchy I want more collaboration. want could be really cool is that instead of storing these larges screenshot we have a tiny smalltalkish language to draw umlish box u := UMLClass named: 'ProgramNode' placedAt: 0@0. u2 := UMLClass named: 'Visitor' placedAt: 100@0. u3 := UMLClass named: 'Enum' placedAt: 300@0. u linkTo: u2. u3 inherits: u2. Like that we could have a doc per package that we can edit/generate.... Stef On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Back in "the good old Pharo days" (TM) we had a > > ScriptLoader loadSuperOB > > and I remember this browser already providing a > UML class diagram when you selected a class in > the browser ... > > Bye > T. > > > -- > Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - > sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] Re: squeak VM 5.0

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>>> :) >> What would you be an extreme abstractor :) >> >> BTW henrik it is snowing at your place because here eveyrthing is white but not deep enough to have fun with it. >> > Not much snow here either, supposedly coming next week. Colder than I > like though, -9C this morning :S > BTW, I somehow ended up reading the Squeak mailing list from Dec. 2004 > yesterday, the correct quote for what I believe you allude to would be > "Random reorganizer" ;) lol >>> > One step at a time... > For all the people interested in learning in the Squeak community, it > somewhat surprises me not one of them seems concerned of the experience > for anyone above the age of 10. > IE. If you're a student looking for an open-source implementation of > Smalltalk to learn from and dive in all the way to the turtles, even if > you made it past the UI of squeak, you'd still be running away screaming > from the mess underneath, instead of admiring its structure and > beautiful code... amen! Now this is changing so we should also learn from them and stay humble. working and learning. I used to teach and to never lie to smart students else they think and know that you are an idiot. So I always said: this is a cool concept, the implementation is suboptimal but we are working on fixing it. Now we do it. Stef

Dec. 17, 2009

[Pharo-project] managing external package with metacello

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

mariano I was thinking about the problem of managing pharo with metacello we should start with the simple ones: the ones we removed from the system - Sounds - LedMorph - MorphicExamples - (ArchiveViewer) Then check the packages that are shared. May be we can also publish metacello descriptions to load them. and we republish them when they changed. For example for OB I think that lukas publish in squeaksource the latest version colin ships as sar files. So we can publish in the OBSqueakSouce (not sure that this is good) or in pharo a ConfigurationOfOB Stef

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by Alexandre Bergel

The UML visualization is not lost however. Doit the following to load Mondrian: Gofer new squeaksource: 'Mondrian'; addPackage: 'ConfigurationOfMondrian'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMondrian) perform: #loadLastStable. and then: MOReadme new umlFor: MOShape withAllSubclasses You will have a simple uml view that shows hierarchy of MOShape. Cheers, Alexandre On 17 Dec 2009, at 13:28, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Back in "the good old Pharo days" (TM) we had a > > ScriptLoader loadSuperOB > > and I remember this browser already providing a > UML class diagram when you selected a class in > the browser ... > > Bye > T. > > > -- > Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla > Firefox 3.5 - > sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 17, 2009

[Pharo-project] a bit of fun in this cruel world

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

How to configure your own tools....? FileList>>buttonSelectorsToSuppress "Answer a list of action selectors whose corresponding services we would prefer *not* to have appear in the filelist's button pane; this can be hand-jimmied to suit personal taste." ^ #(removeLineFeeds: addFileToNewZip: compressFile: putUpdate:)

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] Re: squeak VM 5.0

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 17.12.2009 11:45, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > On Dec 17, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > > >> I agree it seems to belong more in SmalltalkImage current than Smalltalk . >> >> TBH, I wouldn't mind if we split off a SmalltalkVM class as well :) >> > :) > What would you be an extreme abstractor :) > > BTW henrik it is snowing at your place because here eveyrthing is white but not deep enough to have fun with it. > Not much snow here either, supposedly coming next week. Colder than I like though, -9C this morning :S BTW, I somehow ended up reading the Squeak mailing list from Dec. 2004 yesterday, the correct quote for what I believe you allude to would be "Random reorganizer" ;) > >> I'm wondering about the comment in vmParameterAt: though, which states 40 is "VM word size - 4 or 8 (read only)" >> >> 1) Jannik provided a wordSize: method for setting... Does this work? >> 2) In Interpreter>> primitiveVMParameter, the comment reads "40 BytesPerWord for this image" >> >> I'd recon the VM comment is the correct one, and this is dependant on the image and not the VM, seeing as how it returns 4 for a 32bit image on the 64bit VM. >> In which case, I definately feel wordSize semantically belongs to SmalltalkImage (and thus should be cached there rather than SystemDictionary) ;) >> > > We will have to have a really neat and clean namespace class instead of systemDictionary. argh too many todos > so one by one.... > One step at a time... For all the people interested in learning in the Squeak community, it somewhat surprises me not one of them seems concerned of the experience for anyone above the age of 10. IE. If you're a student looking for an open-source implementation of Smalltalk to learn from and dive in all the way to the turtles, even if you made it past the UI of squeak, you'd still be running away screaming from the mess underneath, instead of admiring its structure and beautiful code... Cheers, Henry

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] ProjectLauncher readDocumentAtStartup

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Mike do you know if this problem was fixed because I need it for coral. Stef On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Michael Roberts wrote: > Hi, this method was changed recently I think probably by the > preferences work (Alain Plantec). It used to be a pref. Now it is hard > coded to false. > > Is there a reason? It prevents scripts being executed on the command > line. It causes the Mason example to not work in Pharo, and a bunch > of other stuff to break. > > Is there a replacement for loading code on the command line? otherwise > this needs changing, perhaps you did not know it is registered in the > auto start mechanism. > > thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 17, 2009

[Pharo-project] Collecting pharo user company names

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Wait may be I was not clear. I would really like to show that we have a certain number of companies using pharo. So if you are one of these and you are not listed on our web site please let us know. Stef On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > Hi guys > > we are writing a proposal to get an engineer for pharo from INRIA (nothing is clear but we should at least try). > I learned this morning that we could apply. Some meetings are better than others :) > So I have a small list but I'm sure that we have much more companies around using pharo. > > Stef > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Problems with Czech accented characters

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 17.12.2009 20:23, Martin PolÃ¡k wrote: > On 15.12.2009, at 20:33, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > >> Thanks for your feedback. >> >> Stef >> >> > Hi, > I now fully understand problem with fonts in Pharo (hope so). It is > not needed to copy fonts from previous versions of Pharo. It is only > necessary to open 'System' -> 'Preferences' -> 'System fonts' and > select category. In dialog press 'Update' and Freetype re-read all > fonts installed on system. After restarting Pharo, there is all that > fonts in font select dialog and man can select font with appropriate > characters (for example wirh Czech chars in my case). I have tried > this on Windows and Mac - everything worked fine. I have currently no > access to Linux box, but suppose to work that as well. > > Cheers, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > Yup, that's it exactly. Slighly related, there's a minor problem in that StrikeFonts in Pharo assumes a latin-1 fontmap, thus will render a few characters incorrectly when the font is really for latin-15 (Like the Bitmap DejaVu included). I intend to fix this by extending StrikeFonts with a conversion table when I have the time, so â¬ (included in latin-15 but not latin-1) and friends will actually show correctly on screen. If anyone has an alternate approach they feel is better, I'd be happy for some input. Cheers, Henry

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Rome port

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks john I deleted the plugging file. Stef On Dec 17, 2009, at 6:46 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > Ya, for years now I've shipped the latest Rome plugin, which BTW I did compile, > within the Squeak macintosh carbon VM. > > It's version 1.2.1 > > Likely the one https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25047/RomePlugin.bundle.zip > should disappear to avoid confusion. Just use a 4.2.2 VM > > I'll add building a RomePlugin for Squeak V5.0 to my list of things to do for Christmas. > > On 2009-12-17, at 9:38 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> Michael, this is an excellent start! >> Thanks for this. This is important. >> >>> You will need the RomePlugin for your platform. >>> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25047/RomePlugin.bundle.zip >>> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25046/rome.zip >> >> There is a plugin next to the MacOSX VM. I do not know whether this is >> the same version of the plugin > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 17, 2009