December 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Services

by Alain Plantec

gloups! I've just discovered that the Preferences class has a child. yes, yes, it is the ServicePreferences class with a dictionary full of Preference instances. So, I was always wondering, what are services ? are they used ? I don't know if I will have enough energy for that but do you think it is possible to use pragmas as we do for settings ? use the Setting browser for services ? (Lukas ?) thanks Alain

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] misconception addendum :)

by Guido Stepken

Cairographics.org reminds me to Khronos API (http://www.khronos.org/openvg/) nearly used everywhere on all PDA's (iPhone, Android, e.t.c.). I would prefer SDL. Very stable, implemented in C, multi-platform, language bindings to Smalltalk already ... http://www.libsdl.org/ Should be easy at first to adapt Morpic to SDL, but ... there are many GUI's out in the wild, for gaming, 3D, 2D, e.t.c. which should be easy to program language bindings for. And OpenGL now becomes standard on all desktop and PDA (Cortex ARM8/9+OpenGL ES 2.0). Chips are cheap! (< 40$ for ARM 2000MIPS incl. OpenGL ES) Smalltalk is missing a GUI standard. I am hopefully, that Pharo could perhaps set one :) SDL in Squeak VM could become a wildely accepted standard, that will survive in future ... IMHO. just my 0.02000001 cents ..., Guido Stepken -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/misconception-addendum-tp4179937p4183460.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Default code browser

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > Hi! > > I saw many people using the package browser instead of > OBSystemBrowserAdaptor, even if this last is faster and has less bug. > I am just wondering whether reverting the default browser to > O2PackageBrowser is not something we should consider. > > I don't use it, and I think all the people that don't use it is for the same reason, and it is because it is REALLY slow. Even in good machines. > Cheers, > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Collecting pharo user company names

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I forgot 10pines so I add you to my document. I want make it shines. Stef On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > Hi Stef, > I can not find where the companies are listed in the site... > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:36 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Wait may be I was not clear. >> I would really like to show that we have a certain number of companies using pharo. >> So if you are one of these and you are not listed on our web site please let us know. >> >> Stef >> >> On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi guys >>> >>> we are writing a proposal to get an engineer for pharo from INRIA (nothing is clear but we should at least try). >>> I learned this morning that we could apply. Some meetings are better than others :) >>> So I have a small list but I'm sure that we have much more companies around using pharo. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

box1 alignWith: box2 box1 x > box2 x On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Don't you have the '+' and '-' button at the top? Maybe I could rename > to 'Zoom +' and 'Zoom -'. > > What do you mean by constraints? Can you give an example of such a > constraint? > > Alexandre > > > On 17 Dec 2009, at 21:44, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > >> Hi Alex, >> I've tried the Mondrian script, nice work, it looks something I >> could integrate to the Dependency Browser. Does Mondrian support >> zooming? Do you plan to use constraints for the layout? >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> 2009/12/17 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>> The UML visualization is not lost however. >>> >>> Doit the following to load Mondrian: >>> Gofer new squeaksource: 'Mondrian'; addPackage: >>> 'ConfigurationOfMondrian'; load. (Smalltalk at: >>> #ConfigurationOfMondrian) perform: #loadLastStable. >>> >>> and then: >>> MOReadme new umlFor: MOShape withAllSubclasses >>> >>> You will have a simple uml view that shows hierarchy of MOShape. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> On 17 Dec 2009, at 13:28, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>> >>>> Back in "the good old Pharo days" (TM) we had a >>>> >>>> ScriptLoader loadSuperOB >>>> >>>> and I remember this browser already providing a >>>> UML class diagram when you selected a class in >>>> the browser ... >>>> >>>> Bye >>>> T. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla >>>> Firefox 3.5 - >>>> sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Collecting pharo user company names

by Adrian Lienhard

Stef probably referred to this list: http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories It is project-based, but we also started collecting a list only of companies that use Pharo (its not online yet). Adrian On Dec 17, 2009, at 21:44 , Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > Hi Stef, > I can not find where the companies are listed in the site... > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:36 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Wait may be I was not clear. >> I would really like to show that we have a certain number of >> companies using pharo. >> So if you are one of these and you are not listed on our web site >> please let us know. >> >> Stef >> >> On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi guys >>> >>> we are writing a proposal to get an engineer for pharo from INRIA >>> (nothing is clear but we should at least try). >>> I learned this morning that we could apply. Some meetings are >>> better than others :) >>> So I have a small list but I'm sure that we have much more >>> companies around using pharo. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by Alexandre Bergel

Don't you have the '+' and '-' button at the top? Maybe I could rename to 'Zoom +' and 'Zoom -'. What do you mean by constraints? Can you give an example of such a constraint? Alexandre On 17 Dec 2009, at 21:44, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Hi Alex, > I've tried the Mondrian script, nice work, it looks something I > could integrate to the Dependency Browser. Does Mondrian support > zooming? Do you plan to use constraints for the layout? > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2009/12/17 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> The UML visualization is not lost however. >> >> Doit the following to load Mondrian: >> Gofer new squeaksource: 'Mondrian'; addPackage: >> 'ConfigurationOfMondrian'; load. (Smalltalk at: >> #ConfigurationOfMondrian) perform: #loadLastStable. >> >> and then: >> MOReadme new umlFor: MOShape withAllSubclasses >> >> You will have a simple uml view that shows hierarchy of MOShape. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> On 17 Dec 2009, at 13:28, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> >>> Back in "the good old Pharo days" (TM) we had a >>> >>> ScriptLoader loadSuperOB >>> >>> and I remember this browser already providing a >>> UML class diagram when you selected a class in >>> the browser ... >>> >>> Bye >>> T. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla >>> Firefox 3.5 - >>> sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Alex, I've tried the Mondrian script, nice work, it looks something I could integrate to the Dependency Browser. Does Mondrian support zooming? Do you plan to use constraints for the layout? Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2009/12/17 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > The UML visualization is not lost however. > > Doit the following to load Mondrian: > Gofer new squeaksource: 'Mondrian'; addPackage: > 'ConfigurationOfMondrian'; load. (Smalltalk at: > #ConfigurationOfMondrian) perform: #loadLastStable. > > and then: > Â Â Â Â MOReadme new umlFor: MOShape withAllSubclasses > > You will have a simple uml view that shows hierarchy of MOShape. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > On 17 Dec 2009, at 13:28, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > >> Back in "the good old Pharo days" (TM) we had a >> >> Â ScriptLoader loadSuperOB >> >> and I remember this browser already providing a >> UML class diagram when you selected a class in >> the browser ... >> >> Bye >> T. >> >> >> -- >> Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla >> Firefox 3.5 - >> sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Collecting pharo user company names

by Hernan Wilkinson

Hi Stef, I can not find where the companies are listed in the site... On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:36 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Wait may be I was not clear. > I would really like to show that we have a certain number of companies using pharo. > So if you are one of these and you are not listed on our web site please let us know. > > Stef > > On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> >> Hi guys >> >> we are writing a proposal to get an engineer for pharo from INRIA (nothing is clear but we should at least try). >> I learned this morning that we could apply. Some meetings are better than others :) >> So I have a small list but I'm sure that we have much more companies around using pharo. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Stuff

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> PS: You must read "2000/12 - Kamigami no Itadaki - Le Sommet des Dieux" from >> jiro taniguchi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiro_Taniguchi >> this is 1800 pages manga on alpinists and himalaya. I thought it would be dead boring but this is excellent. >> Once you french is ready you can lend it for free in the public library. > > I love this Manga, it is simply amazing. One of the best Manga I've ever read. > > And probably the only comic I read before you :-p ;-D The last manga I read was 20century boys and it was nice .... 22 volumes.... Taniguchi did one with moebius Icare nice. Also the "sacred montain" of taniguchi is nice as well as "l'orme du caucase". we are a bit off topic but this can give idea for christmas gifts :)

Dec. 17, 2009