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Re: [Pharo-project] Default code browser

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi, What about a survey? Let's learn something from strategic marketing and actually find out what users prefer :) -What browser do you prefer? --OBSystemBrowser --OBPackageBrowser --Classic System Browser --Classic Package Browser -Do you want syntax colorising enabled by default? -Do you use refactoring tools? -Do you use code completion? -What tool do you consider a must for Pharo in your daily work? etc. HernÃ¡n 2009/12/17 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > Hi! > > I saw many people using the package browser instead of > OBSystemBrowserAdaptor, even if this last is faster and has less bug. > I am just wondering whether reverting the default browser to > O2PackageBrowser is not something we should consider. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by Alexandre Bergel

Ok, I will check. Alexandre On 17 Dec 2009, at 22:25, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > 2009/12/17 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> Don't you have the '+' and '-' button at the top? Maybe I could >> rename >> to 'Zoom +' and 'Zoom -'. > > Now I see them. Yes, adding labels would help to get the '+' and '-' > symbols more visibility. > >> >> What do you mean by constraints? Can you give an example of such a >> constraint? > > There is a very old ThingLab video which is the best demo I've seen: > > http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/constraints/videos/thinglab-1978.mov > http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/study/courses/OMP/public/software/sqcdrom2/Document… > > With Constraints you will have a way to say: > -When a user resizes a window, then mantain the font proportion to > stay into the boxes. > -When a window is updated with a new figure (a sibling in the UML for > example) then update the remaining siblings to preserve symmetry, etc. > > Summarising, with constraints you say what do you want to achieve, and > not how to do it. The layout adjustement algorithm will use > constraints to achieve it. There is an implementation of constraints > solvers in Squeak called Cassowary > > http://www.squeaksource.com/Cassowary.html > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 17 Dec 2009, at 21:44, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >> >>> Hi Alex, >>> I've tried the Mondrian script, nice work, it looks something I >>> could integrate to the Dependency Browser. Does Mondrian support >>> zooming? Do you plan to use constraints for the layout? >>> Cheers, >>> >>> HernÃ¡n >>> >>> 2009/12/17 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>>> The UML visualization is not lost however. >>>> >>>> Doit the following to load Mondrian: >>>> Gofer new squeaksource: 'Mondrian'; addPackage: >>>> 'ConfigurationOfMondrian'; load. (Smalltalk at: >>>> #ConfigurationOfMondrian) perform: #loadLastStable. >>>> >>>> and then: >>>> MOReadme new umlFor: MOShape withAllSubclasses >>>> >>>> You will have a simple uml view that shows hierarchy of MOShape. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> On 17 Dec 2009, at 13:28, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>>> >>>>> Back in "the good old Pharo days" (TM) we had a >>>>> >>>>> ScriptLoader loadSuperOB >>>>> >>>>> and I remember this browser already providing a >>>>> UML class diagram when you selected a class in >>>>> the browser ... >>>>> >>>>> Bye >>>>> T. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla >>>>> Firefox 3.5 - >>>>> sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Default code browser

by Alexandre Bergel

> More than one second to open the brower. More than one second to go > to another method, etc. Anyway, for me its the same as I can change > it when I download an image. We can do a poll if you want, but I > think someone (david, lukas or I don't know who) is working in a > better browser with a faster package. ?? There should be something wrong with your config. I have the following result: [O2PackageBrowser openOnClass: MOGraphElement selector: #displayOn] timeToRun => 810 [O2PackageBrowser openOnClass: Object selector: #printString] timeToRun => 1380 I have a macbook pro. I am more concerned with the user aspect point of view of Pharo. All my students prefer the package browser. This says something I feel. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Henrik Sperre Johansen < henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: > On 16.12.2009 11:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > This is an excellent job. Congratulations HernÃ¡n. > > > > I have a question....how could you draw the photo instead of the array > > of bytes on the browser? I really hate when developing with seaside > > and I have some pictures in my filelibrary class and when I browse > > them I see the array of bits...but I want to see the picture!!! > > > > Thanks > > > > Mariano > For a proof of concept of what is possible using the NewInspector, > install this method: > Form>>asNINode > ^ (super asNINode) > addAction: > (NIAction labeled: 'Preview' > shortcut: $p > target: > [ :aForm | > aForm depth < 32 ifTrue: [ Display > getCanvas image: aForm at: 10 @ 10 ] > ifFalse: [ Display getCanvas > translucentImage: aForm at: 10 @ 10 ] ] > actionSelector: #value: > withArgs: {self} > category: 'Preview'); > yourself > > then inspect a form (Say, ThemeIcons infoIcons ), right-click the Form > node, and select preview. > > Excellent! I have just tested, is really cool! Thank you very much! I wish I have this some time before hahahhaha (when I was developing a seaside webappp with images in filelibrary). I will keep this ch :) > Ideally it'd be nice to add an extra "Preview" item to the subnodes of > Forms in the NI, which when clicked would show the form on the right > side, but I don't (easily) see how you can temporarily replace the > TextMorph on the right side with something capable of displaying Forms > > With some more work on the closure it should be possible to open the > preview in a separate window though :) > > would be awesome > Cheers, > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

2009/12/17 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > Don't you have the '+' and '-' button at the top? Maybe I could rename > to 'Zoom +' and 'Zoom -'. Now I see them. Yes, adding labels would help to get the '+' and '-' symbols more visibility. > > What do you mean by constraints? Can you give an example of such a > constraint? There is a very old ThingLab video which is the best demo I've seen: http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/constraints/videos/thinglab-1978.mov http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/study/courses/OMP/public/software/sqcdrom2/Document… With Constraints you will have a way to say: -When a user resizes a window, then mantain the font proportion to stay into the boxes. -When a window is updated with a new figure (a sibling in the UML for example) then update the remaining siblings to preserve symmetry, etc. Summarising, with constraints you say what do you want to achieve, and not how to do it. The layout adjustement algorithm will use constraints to achieve it. There is an implementation of constraints solvers in Squeak called Cassowary http://www.squeaksource.com/Cassowary.html Cheers, HernÃ¡n > > Alexandre > > > On 17 Dec 2009, at 21:44, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > >> Hi Alex, >> Â I've tried the Mondrian script, nice work, it looks something I >> could integrate to the Dependency Browser. Does Mondrian support >> zooming? Do you plan to use constraints for the layout? >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> 2009/12/17 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>> The UML visualization is not lost however. >>> >>> Doit the following to load Mondrian: >>> Gofer new squeaksource: 'Mondrian'; addPackage: >>> 'ConfigurationOfMondrian'; load. (Smalltalk at: >>> #ConfigurationOfMondrian) perform: #loadLastStable. >>> >>> and then: >>> Â Â Â Â MOReadme new umlFor: MOShape withAllSubclasses >>> >>> You will have a simple uml view that shows hierarchy of MOShape. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> On 17 Dec 2009, at 13:28, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>> >>>> Back in "the good old Pharo days" (TM) we had a >>>> >>>> Â ScriptLoader loadSuperOB >>>> >>>> and I remember this browser already providing a >>>> UML class diagram when you selected a class in >>>> the browser ... >>>> >>>> Bye >>>> T. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla >>>> Firefox 3.5 - >>>> sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Services

by Alain Plantec

Alain Plantec a Ã©crit : > gloups! > I've just discovered that the Preferences class has a child. > yes, yes, it is the ServicePreferences class with a dictionary full of > Preference instances. > So, I was always wondering, what are services ? are they used ? I've browsed a little bit, now I think I understand, it's a kind of service providing framework which allows dynamically built menus and yes it seems to be used. > I don't know if I will have enough energy for that but do you think it > is possible to > use pragmas as we do for settings ? use the Setting browser for > services ? (Lukas ?) > thanks > Alain > > > >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Default code browser

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > > I don't use it, and I think all the people that don't use it is for > > the same reason, and it is because it is REALLY slow. Even in good > > machines. > > I do not know what you mean by REALLY slow, but I find the latency of > the package browser perfectly acceptable. > More than one second to open the brower. More than one second to go to another method, etc. Anyway, for me its the same as I can change it when I download an image. We can do a poll if you want, but I think someone (david, lukas or I don't know who) is working in a better browser with a faster package. > If people prefer the system browser, then fine with me. I just saw a > number of people systematically switching to the package browser. > > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] File Browser (was: Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?)

by Levente Uzonyi

This code: Transcript open. FileList allRegisteredServices do: [ :each | Transcript show: each; cr ] Prints this: SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeSet --- fileIntoNewChangeSet:) SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseStream:) SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseRecentLogOnPath:) SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseCompressedChangesFile:) SimpleServiceEntry: (FileContentsBrowser --- browseStream:) SimpleServiceEntry: (FilePackage --- conflictsWithUpdatedMethods:) FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (FileStream --- removeLineFeeds:) SimpleServiceEntry: (FileStream --- fileIn:) SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- importImage:) SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- openImageInWindow:) SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- setBackgroundFromImageFileNamed:) SimpleServiceEntry: (GZipReadStream --- viewContents:) FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (GZipReadStream --- saveContents:) FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (GZipWriteStream --- compressFile:) SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- loadVersionStream:fromDirectory:) SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- mergeVersionStream:) SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- openVersionFromStream:) SimpleServiceEntry: (MczInstaller --- loadVersionFile:) SimpleServiceEntry: (Morph --- fromFileName:) SimpleServiceEntry: (NaturalLanguageTranslator --- mergeTranslationFileNamed:) SimpleServiceEntry: (SARInstaller --- installSAR:) SimpleServiceEntry: (TTCFont --- newTextStyleFromTTFile:) SimpleServiceEntry: (TTFontReader --- openTTFFile:) FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (NSGZipWriteStream --- compressFile:) FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (NSDecoderGZipWriteStream --- compressFile:) SimpleServiceEntry: (AnimatedImageMorph --- openGIFInWindow:) SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- setBackgroundFromImageFileNamed:) SimpleServiceEntry: (ScorePlayerMorph --- playMidiFile:) SimpleServiceEntry: (NSGZipReadStream --- viewContents:) FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (NSGZipReadStream --- saveContents:) SimpleServiceEntry: (NSDecoderGZipReadStream --- viewContents:) FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (NSDecoderGZipReadStream --- saveContents:) Levente On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > levente can you print > > FileList allRegistered allRegisteredServices > > On my image I get > > SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeSet --- fileIntoNewChangeSet:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseStream:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseRecentLogOnPath:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseCompressedChangesFile:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (FileContentsBrowser --- browseStream:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (FilePackage --- conflictsWithUpdatedMethods:) > FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (FileStream --- removeLineFeeds:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (FileStream --- fileIn:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- importImage:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- openImageInWindow:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- setBackgroundFromImageFileNamed:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (GZipReadStream --- viewContents:) > FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (GZipReadStream --- saveContents:) > FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (GZipWriteStream --- compressFile:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- loadVersionStream:fromDirectory:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- mergeVersionStream:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- openVersionFromStream:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (MczInstaller --- loadVersionFile:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (Morph --- fromFileName:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (NaturalLanguageTranslator --- mergeTranslationFileNamed:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (SARInstaller --- installSAR:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (TTCFont --- newTextStyleFromTTFile:) > SimpleServiceEntry: (TTFontReader --- openTTFFile:)) > > > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > >> Quoting StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> >>> >>> Can you show what you get? >>> >> >> Sure, I attached it. The screenshot was taken from an 1.1-11105 image. (Note that the mouse pointer is on the first list item, but you can't see it, because it's a windows machine...) >> >> >> Levente<pharofilebrowser.png>_______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] MagmaBrowser

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 16.12.2009 11:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > This is an excellent job. Congratulations HernÃ¡n. > > I have a question....how could you draw the photo instead of the array > of bytes on the browser? I really hate when developing with seaside > and I have some pictures in my filelibrary class and when I browse > them I see the array of bits...but I want to see the picture!!! > > Thanks > > Mariano For a proof of concept of what is possible using the NewInspector, install this method: Form>>asNINode ^ (super asNINode) addAction: (NIAction labeled: 'Preview' shortcut: $p target: [ :aForm | aForm depth < 32 ifTrue: [ Display getCanvas image: aForm at: 10 @ 10 ] ifFalse: [ Display getCanvas translucentImage: aForm at: 10 @ 10 ] ] actionSelector: #value: withArgs: {self} category: 'Preview'); yourself then inspect a form (Say, ThemeIcons infoIcons ), right-click the Form node, and select preview. Ideally it'd be nice to add an extra "Preview" item to the subnodes of Forms in the NI, which when clicked would show the form on the right side, but I don't (easily) see how you can temporarily replace the TextMorph on the right side with something capable of displaying Forms With some more work on the closure it should be possible to open the preview in a separate window though :) Cheers, Henry

Dec. 17, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Default code browser

by Alexandre Bergel

> I don't use it, and I think all the people that don't use it is for > the same reason, and it is because it is REALLY slow. Even in good > machines. I do not know what you mean by REALLY slow, but I find the latency of the package browser perfectly acceptable. If people prefer the system browser, then fine with me. I just saw a number of people systematically switching to the package browser. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 17, 2009