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Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu

by John M McIntosh

Well beyond the simple memory access violation (seg fault) type of failure then. (a) if you have configured your vm to use a limited amount of memory and you enter a recursive loop the VM likely will thrash thru the available memory in a small number of milliseconds on a fast machine then exit(). I believe by default it's 1GB, but if there is no paging involved to find 1GB of ram it can happen quite quickly. (b) Older unix/linux vm are susceptible to crashing if they expand image memory over the 2GB address boundary. I can't say exactly what version that would be, but if you supply the build information for your VM SmalltalkImage current getSystemAttribute: 1004 and SmalltalkImage current getSystemAttribute: 1006 That might give a clue to if the fixes for the problem are in the VM you are using. On 2009-11-03, at 11:08 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > John, > > I would be happy to give a reproducible example, but one eludes me > at present. To add to the fun, I have now seen the image quit on a > second Linux box; this time, my laptop. I am fairly certain that it > crashed over a mouse wheel event. > > Both machines are running Ubuntu 9.10, which might be the trigger of > my new-found hassles. > > Bill > -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Nov. 3, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

John, I would be happy to give a reproducible example, but one eludes me at present. To add to the fun, I have now seen the image quit on a second Linux box; this time, my laptop. I am fairly certain that it crashed over a mouse wheel event. Both machines are running Ubuntu 9.10, which might be the trigger of my new-found hassles. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of John M McIntosh Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:49 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu >> Agreed that naming it Pharo would be better, but the name is of less >> interest to me than the vm sources. If there are Pharo-specific >> changes, I do not see them anywere?? There are no Pharo specific changes in the VM source. linux/unix/windows/mac platform support source at http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ iphone source at http://svn.isqueak.org/vm/ (However I will be merging this back into the squeakvm.org tree later this fall. vmmaker at http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker detailed build instructions at http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Documen… For os-x you may find that people take the Squeak.app, alter the name, info.plist settings, the binary name for their one-click experiences, but in general they do not build a new binary. -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ======================================================================== _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 3, 2009

[Pharo-project] [Pharo-Project] Merging with Monticello

by Hernan Wilkinson

Is there a way to control what the Monticello's Merge tool merges? I mean, if there is a conflict you can decide what to do, but sometimes there are no conflicts (like for example removing a class) and there is no way to tell it not to merge that... Thanks Hernan.

Nov. 3, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Mike, A link would be great. A zip file would no doubt help some too, though http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ linked from http://squeakvm.org/unix/ is perhaps better than a zip. I _think_ users of a zip would want to see an individual file or two to check a theory about a bug or to see how something works; anyone setting out to build a vm would probably want to grab the latest source. Thanks! Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Michael Roberts Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:27 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu The vm sources are in svn. You want them snapshotted in a zip? Perhaps just a link to the vm web page would do. Cheers mike On Tuesday, November 3, 2009, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2009/10/31 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.xn--edu-kla <javascript:_e({}, > 'cvml', 'bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu');>> > > > > > > > Agreed that naming it Pharo would be better, but the name is of less > interest to me than the vm sources.Â If there are Pharo-specific > changes, I do not see them anywere?? > > +1Â This was discussed in another thread, but I cannot find it right now. It would be VERY useful to have VM sources uploaded to the webpage. The problem is I don't know where to get the VM sources neither the plugins. > > I know a lot of people that stands "I won't put something in production if I cannot build it by myself". So, having the sources in the webpage is something good I think. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > Bill > > > > From: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of > Mariano Martinez Peck > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:44 AM > To: > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] vm on > ubuntu > > > Hi Doru: In a wonderful world, you would have latest PharoVM in the > Ubuntu repositories and for all Ubuntu verions. In the real world, > this is not done. The squeak or Pharo VM that usually are at the > repositories are old and not for all Ubuntu versions. Thus, I think > the easiest way to install it, is this (as Dale said): > > 1) Download the VM from here > http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22745/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux.z > ip > > 2) Unzip it somewhere. > 3) And then you can just execute VM. Suppose you uncompress the zip in > /home/doru/pharoVM/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux/ > Then you > can open a terminal an do > /home/doru/pharoVM/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux/squeak > Â /home/doru/pharo-images/myxxximage.image > > Now I notice that it > would be better if the executable file is called pharo instead of > squeak > > That's all. > > Best > > Mariano > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.xn--com-kla > <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'tudor.girba(a)gmail.com');>> > wrote: > Hi, > > What > is the preferred way to install a Pharo vm on > Ubuntu? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "From an abstract enough point of > view, any two things are > similar." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project > mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 3, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu

by John M McIntosh

>> Agreed that naming it Pharo would be better, but the >> name is of less interest to me than the vm sources. If there are >> Pharo-specific changes, I do not see them anywere?? There are no Pharo specific changes in the VM source. linux/unix/windows/mac platform support source at http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ iphone source at http://svn.isqueak.org/vm/ (However I will be merging this back into the squeakvm.org tree later this fall. vmmaker at http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker detailed build instructions at http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Documen… For os-x you may find that people take the Squeak.app, alter the name, info.plist settings, the binary name for their one-click experiences, but in general they do not build a new binary. -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Nov. 3, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Hide some pages from the wiki

by Michael Roberts

I archive them periodically. What is the problem? It shows progress on the wiki. Cheers Mike On Tuesday, November 3, 2009, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi folks!Â Is out there some Google Code gurÃº ?Â Â The thing is this: there are a lot of pages for the test results. For example, TestResult10477, TestResult10481, etc. > > So...the amount of pages is too much. It is difficult to find something. I tried to see if there was a way to hide some pages from http://code.google.com/p/pharo/w/listÂ Â but I couldn't find anything. > > Does someone have an idea how to fix this? > > Best, > > Mariano > >

Nov. 3, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu

by Michael Roberts

The vm sources are in svn. You want them snapshotted in a zip? Perhaps just a link to the vm web page would do. Cheers mike On Tuesday, November 3, 2009, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2009/10/31 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.xn--edu-kla <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu');>> > > > > > > > Agreed that naming it Pharo would be better, but the > name is of less interest to me than the vm sources.Â If there are > Pharo-specific changes, I do not see them anywere?? > > +1Â This was discussed in another thread, but I cannot find it right now. It would be VERY useful to have VM sources uploaded to the webpage. The problem is I don't know where to get the VM sources neither the plugins. > > I know a lot of people that stands "I won't put something in production if I cannot build it by myself". So, having the sources in the webpage is something good I think. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > Bill > > > > From: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano > Martinez Peck > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:44 AM > To: > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] vm on > ubuntu > > > Hi Doru: In a wonderful world, you would have latest PharoVM in the > Ubuntu repositories and for all Ubuntu verions. In the real world, this is not > done. The squeak or Pharo VM that usually are at the repositories are old and > not for all Ubuntu versions. Thus, I think the easiest way to install it, is > this (as Dale said): > > 1) Download the VM from here http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22745/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux.zip > > 2) Unzip it somewhere. > 3) And then you can just execute VM. Suppose you > uncompress the zip in /home/doru/pharoVM/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux/ > Then you > can open a terminal an do /home/doru/pharoVM/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux/squeak > Â /home/doru/pharo-images/myxxximage.image > > Now I notice that it > would be better if the executable file is called pharo instead of > squeak > > That's all. > > Best > > Mariano > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.xn--com-kla <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'tudor.girba(a)gmail.com');>> > wrote: > Hi, > > What > is the preferred way to install a Pharo vm on > Ubuntu? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "From an abstract enough point of > view, any two things are > similar." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project > mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

Nov. 3, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Server sockets, ephermal ports, and a Linux VM crash

by John M McIntosh

A simple example, and a mantis/pharo bug report/ would be helpful. In looking at the code the printOn: for example invokes primitiveSocketConnectionStatus and that C code seems fairly paranoid about it's use of a private pointer that points to the supposed operating system data. However without an example it's hard to finger what is at fault. Also you could run the VM under gnu debug then at the crash you can invoke in the Gnu debugger cmd line call (int) printAllStacks() That will at least indicate the squeak Process stacks to give a clearer example of how the crash occurs. On 2009-11-02, at 7:22 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > John, > > By crash, I mean pretty much the standard thing: one instant, Pharo > is running, click something on the inspector, and suddenly Pharo is > gone. Not good. > > Bill > > -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Nov. 3, 2009

[Pharo-project] Hide some pages from the wiki

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks! Is out there some Google Code gurÃº ? The thing is this: there are a lot of pages for the test results. For example, TestResult10477, TestResult10481, etc. So...the amount of pages is too much. It is difficult to find something. I tried to see if there was a way to hide some pages from http://code.google.com/p/pharo/w/list but I couldn't find anything. Does someone have an idea how to fix this? Best, Mariano

Nov. 3, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2009/10/31 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > Agreed that naming it Pharo would be better, but the name is of less > interest to me than the vm sources. If there are Pharo-specific changes, I > do not see them anywere?? > > +1 This was discussed in another thread, but I cannot find it right now. It would be VERY useful to have VM sources uploaded to the webpage. The problem is I don't know where to get the VM sources neither the plugins. I know a lot of people that stands "I won't put something in production if I cannot build it by myself". So, having the sources in the webpage is something good I think. Cheers Mariano > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] *On Behalf Of *Mariano > Martinez Peck > *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:44 AM > > *To:* Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-project] vm on ubuntu > > Hi Doru: In a wonderful world, you would have latest PharoVM in the Ubuntu > repositories and for all Ubuntu verions. In the real world, this is not > done. The squeak or Pharo VM that usually are at the repositories are old > and not for all Ubuntu versions. Thus, I think the easiest way to install > it, is this (as Dale said): > > 1) Download the VM from here > http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22745/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux.zip > 2) Unzip it somewhere. > 3) And then you can just execute VM. Suppose you uncompress the zip in > /home/doru/pharoVM/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux/ > Then you can open a terminal an do > /home/doru/pharoVM/pharo-vm-0.15.2d-linux/squeak > /home/doru/pharo-images/myxxximage.image > > Now I notice that it would be better if the executable file is called pharo > instead of squeak > > That's all. > > Best > > Mariano > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> What is the preferred way to install a Pharo vm on Ubuntu? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Nov. 3, 2009