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Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Yep, I think we should create a benchmark _image_ then... Em 26/11/2009 20:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > escreveu: Thanks for your reply :) >> what you report is strange. >> Can you let us know: > >> - vm > > The Pharo VM is the current (as of a couple of days ago) download from > the Pharo Homepage - Squeak 3.11.4 (beta). > >> - OS > > Win2K SP4 > >> - image version > > Once again, a very recent download - pharo1.0-10493-rc1dev09.11.2.image > >> - your display depth > > True Color 24 bit I have Display depth -> 32 then 24 looks strange to me. depth: bitsPerPixel (bitsPerPixel > 32 or: [(bitsPerPixel bitAnd: bitsPerPixel-1) ~= 0]) ifTrue: [self halt: 'bitsPerPixel must be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32']. depth := bitsPerPixel Can you type Display depth and Display depth: 32 to see if this change something? >> Because people are using pharo on production and we got an increase of 15% of Morphic >> in pharo 1.1 so I have some doubts. > > It is very definitely much slower than Squeak on my system. This is an > old laptop 900MHz P3, but it has no problems at all running Squeak. We should keep an old machine around to test it. this is strange. Because the Ob2Browser is slow because it displays package and getting package information is slow. Which browser are you using Can you give a try to change it and use the system browser (to change click on the right icon on the window ... Choose new default menu) Can you change the theme? using the preference pane? Thanks Stef > > Neil Butterworth _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: about Pharo

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Folks, If we can devise a "benchmark" kind of package I have an old P-III with OEM Win2K that I can put for comparing against my (newer, but not leading edge) machines. Em 26/11/2009 19:45, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > escreveu: Begin forwarded message: > From: neil butterworth > Date: November 26, 2009 10:29:57 PM GMT+01:00 > To: StÃ©phane Ducasse > Subject: Re: about Pharo > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:04 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > wrote: >> Hi Neil > > Hello > >> >> what you report is strange. >> Can you let us know: > >> - vm > > The Pharo VM is the current (as of a couple of days ago) download from > the Pharo Homepage - Squeak 3.11.4 (beta). > >> - OS > > Win2K SP4 > >> - image version > > Once again, a very recent download - pharo1.0-10493-rc1dev09.11.2.image > >> - your display depth > > True Color 24 bit > >> Because people are using pharo on production and we got an increase of 15% of Morphic >> in pharo 1.1 so I have some doubts. > > It is very definitely much slower than Squeak on my system. This is an > old laptop 900MHz P3, but it has no problems at all running Squeak. > > Neil Butterworth _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] c.l.s "Pharo less responsive than Squeak?"

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Stef, Beware Guido's report if for a Windows machine ;-) Em 26/11/2009 19:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escreveu: good to let us know. I do not see pharo getting up to 130 Mb. On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:53 PM, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > Do you also see as these persons report it? > > http://groups.google.com.br/group/comp.lang.smalltalk/browse_thread/thread/… > > -- > Cesar Rabak > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

by Marcus Denker

On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > In my experience the truetype fonts and the mac skin are a major > slowdown. If I disable both things I get a much faster image. Now I do > like nice fonts, so I just live with that speed penalty ... > maybe we should add a note to the download page that on slow machines, people should download the Core image instead and switch the skin to a simpler one... Marcus > Lukas > > On Thursday, November 26, 2009, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: >> Stef, >> >> I have a "slow" machine that stands ready to help with numbers any time; it is semi-retired now, running Ubuntu 9.04. It might be a good ideas to dual-boot it, but I find it challenging to work up the motivation to assault it with a Windows CD, and I have a similar era machine running win2k. >> >> My sense is that Pharo is slower than Squeak, and I am suspicious that the Linux vm is not as efficient as it could be. I forget wheher I saw this only on Linux, but somewhere I reported a long-sourced method that I saw draw in monochrome and AGAIN in color. Nothing against Shout (as the self-apppointed comment pedant, I **really** appreciate syntax highlighting), there might be some room for efficiency by skipping the monochrom pass. >> >> Resizing on Linux turns the main window black. It might make more sense to invalidate and draw once after the sizing is complete?? >> >> I have long heard people claim that Linux is faster than Windows, but I was not convinced. Having recently purchased a new machine and watched it labor under the weight of Vista long enough to see for myself what all the stench was about, I think I get it. Current Linux distributions with the customary graphical largese are not happy on 7+ year old machines that handily run Win2k. However, a new box that just barely gets by under Windows will be relatively quick running Linux. >> >> I forget who said it: "software is getting slow faster than hardware is getting fast." >> >> Bill >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:02 PM >> To: neil butterworth >> Cc: Pharo Development >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo >> >> Thanks for your reply :) >> >>>> what you report is strange. >>>> Can you let us know: >>> >>>> - vm >>> >>> The Pharo VM is the current (as of a couple of days ago) download from >>> the Pharo Homepage - Squeak 3.11.4 (beta). >>> >>>> - OS >>> >>> Win2K SP4 >>> >>>> - image version >>> >>> Once again, a very recent download - >>> pharo1.0-10493-rc1dev09.11.2.image >>> >>>> - your display depth >>> >>> True Color 24 bit >> >> I have >> Display depth -> 32 >> >> then 24 looks strange to me. >> >> depth: bitsPerPixel >> (bitsPerPixel > 32 or: >> [(bitsPerPixel bitAnd: bitsPerPixel-1) ~= 0]) >> ifTrue: [self halt: 'bitsPerPixel must be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32']. >> depth := bitsPerPixel >> >> Can you type >> Display depth >> >> and Display depth: 32 to see if this change something? >> >>>> Because people are using pharo on production and we got an increase >>>> of 15% of Morphic in pharo 1.1 so I have some doubts. >>> >>> It is very definitely much slower than Squeak on my system. This is an >>> old laptop 900MHz P3, but it has no problems at all running Squeak. >> >> We should keep an old machine around to test it. >> this is strange. >> Because the Ob2Browser is slow because it displays package and getting package information is slow. >> Which browser are you using >> Can you give a try to change it and use the system browser (to change click on the right icon on the window ... Choose new default menu) >> >> Can you change the theme? >> using the preference pane? >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Stef >> >>> >>> Neil Butterworth >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

by Lukas Renggli

In my experience the truetype fonts and the mac skin are a major slowdown. If I disable both things I get a much faster image. Now I do like nice fonts, so I just live with that speed penalty ... Lukas On Thursday, November 26, 2009, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Stef, > > I have a "slow" machine that stands ready to help with numbers any time; it is semi-retired now, running Ubuntu 9.04. Â It might be a good ideas to dual-boot it, but I find it challenging to work up the motivation to assault it with a Windows CD, and I have a similar era machine running win2k. > > My sense is that Pharo is slower than Squeak, and I am suspicious that the Linux vm is not as efficient as it could be. Â I forget wheher I saw this only on Linux, but somewhere I reported a long-sourced method that I saw draw in monochrome and AGAIN in color. Â Nothing against Shout (as the self-apppointed comment pedant, I **really** appreciate syntax highlighting), there might be some room for efficiency by skipping the monochrom pass. > > Resizing on Linux turns the main window black. Â It might make more sense to invalidate and draw once after the sizing is complete?? > > I have long heard people claim that Linux is faster than Windows, but I was not convinced. Â Having recently purchased a new machine and watched it labor under the weight of Vista long enough to see for myself what all the stench was about, I think I get it. Â Current Linux distributions with the customary graphical largese are not happy on 7+ year old machines that handily run Win2k. Â However, a new box that just barely gets by under Windows will be relatively quick running Linux. > > I forget who said it: "software is getting slow faster than hardware is getting fast." > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:02 PM > To: neil butterworth > Cc: Pharo Development > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo > > Thanks for your reply :) > >>> what you report is strange. >>> Can you let us know: >> >>> Â Â Â Â - vm >> >> The Pharo VM is the current (as of a couple of days ago) download from >> the Pharo Homepage - Squeak 3.11.4 (beta). >> >>> Â Â Â Â - OS >> >> Win2K SP4 >> >>> Â Â Â Â - image version >> >> Once again, a very recent download - >> pharo1.0-10493-rc1dev09.11.2.image >> >>> Â Â Â Â - your display depth >> >> True Color 24 bit > > I have > Â Â Â Â Display depth -> 32 > > then 24 looks strange to me. > > depth: bitsPerPixel > Â Â Â Â (bitsPerPixel > 32 or: > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â [(bitsPerPixel bitAnd: bitsPerPixel-1) ~= 0]) > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ifTrue: [self halt: 'bitsPerPixel must be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32']. > Â Â Â Â depth := bitsPerPixel > > Can you type > Â Â Â Â Display depth > > Â Â Â Â and Display depth: 32 to see if this change something? > >>> Because people are using pharo on production and we got an increase >>> of 15% of Morphic in pharo 1.1 so I have some doubts. >> >> It is very definitely much slower than Squeak on my system. This is an >> old laptop 900MHz P3, but it has no problems at all running Squeak. > > We should keep an old machine around to test it. > this is strange. > Because the Ob2Browser is slow because it displays package and getting package information is slow. > Which browser are you using > Can you give a try to change it and use the system browser (to change click on the right icon on the window ... Choose new default menu) > > Can you change the theme? > using the preference pane? > > > Thanks > > Stef > >> >> Neil Butterworth > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, I have a "slow" machine that stands ready to help with numbers any time; it is semi-retired now, running Ubuntu 9.04. It might be a good ideas to dual-boot it, but I find it challenging to work up the motivation to assault it with a Windows CD, and I have a similar era machine running win2k. My sense is that Pharo is slower than Squeak, and I am suspicious that the Linux vm is not as efficient as it could be. I forget wheher I saw this only on Linux, but somewhere I reported a long-sourced method that I saw draw in monochrome and AGAIN in color. Nothing against Shout (as the self-apppointed comment pedant, I **really** appreciate syntax highlighting), there might be some room for efficiency by skipping the monochrom pass. Resizing on Linux turns the main window black. It might make more sense to invalidate and draw once after the sizing is complete?? I have long heard people claim that Linux is faster than Windows, but I was not convinced. Having recently purchased a new machine and watched it labor under the weight of Vista long enough to see for myself what all the stench was about, I think I get it. Current Linux distributions with the customary graphical largese are not happy on 7+ year old machines that handily run Win2k. However, a new box that just barely gets by under Windows will be relatively quick running Linux. I forget who said it: "software is getting slow faster than hardware is getting fast." Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:02 PM To: neil butterworth Cc: Pharo Development Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo Thanks for your reply :) >> what you report is strange. >> Can you let us know: > >> - vm > > The Pharo VM is the current (as of a couple of days ago) download from > the Pharo Homepage - Squeak 3.11.4 (beta). > >> - OS > > Win2K SP4 > >> - image version > > Once again, a very recent download - > pharo1.0-10493-rc1dev09.11.2.image > >> - your display depth > > True Color 24 bit I have Display depth -> 32 then 24 looks strange to me. depth: bitsPerPixel (bitsPerPixel > 32 or: [(bitsPerPixel bitAnd: bitsPerPixel-1) ~= 0]) ifTrue: [self halt: 'bitsPerPixel must be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32']. depth := bitsPerPixel Can you type Display depth and Display depth: 32 to see if this change something? >> Because people are using pharo on production and we got an increase >> of 15% of Morphic in pharo 1.1 so I have some doubts. > > It is very definitely much slower than Squeak on my system. This is an > old laptop 900MHz P3, but it has no problems at all running Squeak. We should keep an old machine around to test it. this is strange. Because the Ob2Browser is slow because it displays package and getting package information is slow. Which browser are you using Can you give a try to change it and use the system browser (to change click on the right icon on the window ... Choose new default menu) Can you change the theme? using the preference pane? Thanks Stef > > Neil Butterworth _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Nov 26, 2009, at 11:38 PM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: > A OK.. > > SqueakDbx http://www.SqueakDBX.org > > with Glorp. http://www.glorp.org > > which version.... live in the trunk is more fun. :) well. I just got a discussion with doru that this is a pain to load the latest version of something because you cannot load a previous and robust set of consistently working together versions. Soon people will have to offer metacello configuration. > > > Best Regards. > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> That sounds interesting indeed. >> >> But, I was more talking about the projects for DB mapping, not the >> application projects. In other words, what Pharo project are you using >> and which version to work with what version of what database. >> >> For example, you mentioned SqueakDBX. Which version? Is the latest one >> Ok? The same for Glorp. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 26 Nov 2009, at 22:59, Diogenes Moreira wrote: >> >>> in fact, we are working on a new page .... please be patient with us >>> as .. >>> >>> is the tipical situation, the good programmers make horrible >>> pages...please some graphics artist, help us.... :) >>> >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> Excellent! >>>> Diogenes it would be great if you could have a web page :) >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://www.smallworks.com.ar >>>>> >>>>> We have a lot products in productions using relationals >>>>> database. Sadly, we don't have webpages for all >>>>> products...we are programmers :) >>>>> >>>>> Today, our strategy is use Glorp, with SqueakDBX. >>>>> (Postgres, MySql, Oracle and comming Soon MSSQL), when we don't use >>>>> the prevalence >>>>> >>>>> But we have products with Glorp with direct driver and >>>>> Homemade Frameworks. >>>>> >>>>> the best success case is a Postal Tracking System. This >>>>> system manages arround 2 millon letters at month. This system >>>>> use PostgreSql and Glorp. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Stephan Eggermont >>>>> <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >>>>>> Doru wrote: >>>>>> >I would like to collect a list of the solutions to link >>>>>> >Pharo with existing databases. I am interested in >>>>>> >both relational and in object databases. >>>>>> >>>>>> Something like http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence? >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

by Diogenes Moreira

A OK.. SqueakDbx http://www.SqueakDBX.org with Glorp. http://www.glorp.org which version.... live in the trunk is more fun. :) Best Regards. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > That sounds interesting indeed. > > But, I was more talking about the projects for DB mapping, not the > application projects. In other words, what Pharo project are you using > and which version to work with what version of what database. > > For example, you mentioned SqueakDBX. Which version? Is the latest one > Ok? The same for Glorp. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 26 Nov 2009, at 22:59, Diogenes Moreira wrote: > >> in fact, we are working on a new page .... please be patient with us >> as .. >> >> is the tipical situation, the good programmers make horrible >> pages...please some graphics artist, help us.... Â :) >> >> >> Regards. >> >> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> Excellent! >>> Diogenes it would be great if you could have a web page :) >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.smallworks.com.ar >>>> >>>> We have a lot products in productions using relationals >>>> database. Sadly, we don't have webpages for all >>>> products...we are programmers :) >>>> >>>> Today, our strategy is use Glorp, with SqueakDBX. >>>> (Postgres, MySql, Oracle and comming Soon MSSQL), when we don't use >>>> the prevalence >>>> >>>> But we have products with Glorp with direct driver and >>>> Homemade Frameworks. >>>> >>>> the best success case is a Postal Tracking System. This >>>> system manages arround 2 millon Â letters at month. This system >>>> use PostgreSql and Glorp. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best Regards >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Stephan Eggermont >>>> <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >>>>> Doru wrote: >>>>> Â >I would like to collect a list of the solutions to link >>>>> Â >Pharo with existing databases. I am interested in >>>>> Â >both relational and in object databases. >>>>> >>>>> Something like http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence? >>>>> >>>>> Stephan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and db support

by Tudor Girba

Hi, That sounds interesting indeed. But, I was more talking about the projects for DB mapping, not the application projects. In other words, what Pharo project are you using and which version to work with what version of what database. For example, you mentioned SqueakDBX. Which version? Is the latest one Ok? The same for Glorp. Cheers, Doru On 26 Nov 2009, at 22:59, Diogenes Moreira wrote: > in fact, we are working on a new page .... please be patient with us > as .. > > is the tipical situation, the good programmers make horrible > pages...please some graphics artist, help us.... :) > > > Regards. > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Excellent! >> Diogenes it would be great if you could have a web page :) >> >> Stef >> >> On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: >> >>> http://www.smallworks.com.ar >>> >>> We have a lot products in productions using relationals >>> database. Sadly, we don't have webpages for all >>> products...we are programmers :) >>> >>> Today, our strategy is use Glorp, with SqueakDBX. >>> (Postgres, MySql, Oracle and comming Soon MSSQL), when we don't use >>> the prevalence >>> >>> But we have products with Glorp with direct driver and >>> Homemade Frameworks. >>> >>> the best success case is a Postal Tracking System. This >>> system manages arround 2 millon letters at month. This system >>> use PostgreSql and Glorp. >>> >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Stephan Eggermont >>> <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >>>> Doru wrote: >>>> >I would like to collect a list of the solutions to link >>>> >Pharo with existing databases. I am interested in >>>> >both relational and in object databases. >>>> >>>> Something like http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence? >>>> >>>> Stephan >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal."

Nov. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] about Pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks for your reply :) >> what you report is strange. >> Can you let us know: > >> - vm > > The Pharo VM is the current (as of a couple of days ago) download from > the Pharo Homepage - Squeak 3.11.4 (beta). > >> - OS > > Win2K SP4 > >> - image version > > Once again, a very recent download - pharo1.0-10493-rc1dev09.11.2.image > >> - your display depth > > True Color 24 bit I have Display depth -> 32 then 24 looks strange to me. depth: bitsPerPixel (bitsPerPixel > 32 or: [(bitsPerPixel bitAnd: bitsPerPixel-1) ~= 0]) ifTrue: [self halt: 'bitsPerPixel must be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32']. depth := bitsPerPixel Can you type Display depth and Display depth: 32 to see if this change something? >> Because people are using pharo on production and we got an increase of 15% of Morphic >> in pharo 1.1 so I have some doubts. > > It is very definitely much slower than Squeak on my system. This is an > old laptop 900MHz P3, but it has no problems at all running Squeak. We should keep an old machine around to test it. this is strange. Because the Ob2Browser is slow because it displays package and getting package information is slow. Which browser are you using Can you give a try to change it and use the system browser (to change click on the right icon on the window ... Choose new default menu) Can you change the theme? using the preference pane? Thanks Stef > > Neil Butterworth

Nov. 26, 2009