October 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] HashTable vs Dictionary

by Lukas Renggli

2009/10/20 Laval Jannik <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > Since some weeks, > We use in our projects the project HashTable, available > atÂ http://www.squeaksource.com/ht.html > It could be a good idea to integrate these collections to replace Dictionary > and Set. I don't think that this is generally a good idea. It might be beneficial in your situation, but certainly not for everybody in all situations. I've been using the HashTable implementation in several projects with great success. In other projects I've been using the BTree package on SqueakSource that provides similar functionality optimized for yet another context. These highly specialized data structures should only be applied if they make sense in the given context (and if you understand both, the cost and gain). I guess this was exactly the reason why SkipList was removed from the Pharo image. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Oct. 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] MC 1.6 status?

by Igor Stasenko

Hello people, i'd like to see some answers about the fate of MC 1.6. and its current situation. 1. I think everyone wants to have an atomic loading. But according to my knowledge, MC 1.6. has some problems with Traits, which prevets us from using it & fully replace the older version. 2. Besides of that, are there any other reasons to not have it? So, please, can we disscuss (friendly & constructive), what we might need to have it integrated in Squeak and in Pharo, so we could benefit from having an atomic loading? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Oct. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] scriptloader>>loadComanche

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

I like the idea that a build-server determines that automatically even better. :) Cheers, Henry On 20.10.2009 21:57, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I like the idea that people could contribute to a working configuration. > > Stef > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:40 PM, keith wrote: > > >> On 20 Oct 2009, at 20:30, keith wrote: >> >> >>> On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:08, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Yeap >>>> this is what I mean with Universes. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:15 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Damien I would really like to see Universes coming back. Do we >>>>>> have >>>>>> any chance getting it back? >>>>>> >>>>> No, not in the sense of what was the previous Universes system. >>>>> What >>>>> we really want: >>>>> >>>>> - a repository on SqueakSource >>>>> - a package in that repository with a single class >>>>> - this class defines one method per package we support >>>>> - each method as a small script to load the package (best thing for >>>>> the method would be to load the loader of the particular package >>>>> and >>>>> launch it) >>>>> >>> You just described Sake/Packages and you know it. >>> >>> Keith >>> >> sake/packages loading seaside 3.0 AND unloading >> >> http://www.vimeo.com/groups/squeak/videos/5434330 >> >> Keith >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >

Oct. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] HashTable vs Dictionary

by Nicolas Cellier

Do you mean also deep in Smalltalk Kernel ? Or only some applications ? 2009/10/20 Laval Jannik <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > Since some weeks, > We use in our projects the project HashTable, available > atÂ http://www.squeaksource.com/ht.html > It could be a good idea to integrate these collections to replace Dictionary > and Set. > > --- > JannikÂ Laval > PhD Student - Rmod Team - INRIA > Certified Project Management Associate (IPMA) > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr > --- > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] HashTable vs Dictionary

by Laval Jannik

Hi, Since some weeks, We use in our projects the project HashTable, available at http://www.squeaksource.com/ht.html It could be a good idea to integrate these collections to replace Dictionary and Set. --- Jannik Laval PhD Student - Rmod Team - INRIA Certified Project Management Associate (IPMA) http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://rmod.lille.inria.fr ---

Oct. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] scriptloader>>loadComanche

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I like the idea that people could contribute to a working configuration. Stef On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:40 PM, keith wrote: > > On 20 Oct 2009, at 20:30, keith wrote: > >> >> On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:08, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> Yeap >>> this is what I mean with Universes. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:15 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> Damien I would really like to see Universes coming back. Do we >>>>> have >>>>> any chance getting it back? >>>> >>>> No, not in the sense of what was the previous Universes system. >>>> What >>>> we really want: >>>> >>>> - a repository on SqueakSource >>>> - a package in that repository with a single class >>>> - this class defines one method per package we support >>>> - each method as a small script to load the package (best thing for >>>> the method would be to load the loader of the particular package >>>> and >>>> launch it) >> >> You just described Sake/Packages and you know it. >> >> Keith > > sake/packages loading seaside 3.0 AND unloading > > http://www.vimeo.com/groups/squeak/videos/5434330 > > Keith > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] scriptloader>>loadComanche

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> sake/packages loading seaside 3.0 AND unloading > > http://www.vimeo.com/groups/squeak/videos/5434330 Thanks for the video. I'm watching it and should have done it long time ago. stef

Oct. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] scriptloader>>loadComanche

by Johan Brichau

Hi Dale, The error I got was from code inside Monticello (not Metacello), due to the 'asNumber' change. It all works fine now (since the change was reverted) Johan On 20 Oct 2009, at 19:29, Dale Henrichs wrote: > Johan, > > Yes there was a recent change to Error handling in Pharo that broke > Metacello (Error no longer resumable) that broke Metacello... I ran > into that one yesterday on 10487 and updated the Seaside Metacello > config (Seaside-Metacello-Configuration-dkh.15) with a fix. > > For Pharo 10487 you'll need to use Metacello 1.0-beta.6 or later... > > Naturally as I try to verify that there aren't any other problems > I'm running into network problems:) > > Dale > > ----- "Johan Brichau" <johan.brichau(a)uclouvain.be> wrote: > > | On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:00, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > | > | >> We clearly need a universe like tools so that people can publish > | and > | >> maintain their add-ons. > | > > | > Yes, but we should be pragmatic for Seaside since it is the > | "flagship" > | > until we have the infrastructur set up. > | > > | > Maybe we should delete it from the core but we can the loading > | support > | > in the dev images. What do you all think? > | > | I just loaded metacello and used its seaside configuration to load > the > | > | 3.0-alpha5 of seaside. > | > | It hits the 'reading a number failed' bug in 10487-DEV > | > | ...argh... > | > | > | > | ---------------------------- > | Johan Brichau > | johan.brichau(a)uclouvain.be > | > | > | > | > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Pharo-project mailing list > | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ---------------------------- Johan Brichau johan.brichau(a)uclouvain.be

Oct. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] scriptloader>>loadComanche

by Ken G. Brown

Here's a video from 4 months ago showing how to use Sake/Packages to load Seaside 3.0. <http://www.vimeo.com/groups/squeak/videos/5434330> Ken G. Brown At 2:37 PM +0200 10/20/09, pharo-project-request(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr apparently wrote: >Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:14:56 +0200 >From: Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] scriptloader>>loadComanche >To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >Message-ID: > <67628d690910200514w25dbde7btf9e1533431a50132(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >The following snippet loads Seaside 3.0: > >[ Gofer new > squeaksource: 'Seaside30'; > addPackage: 'LoadOrderTests'; > load ] > valueSupplyingAnswers: { > {'Load Seaside'. true}. > {'SqueakSource User Name'. ''}. > {'SqueakSource Password'. ''}. > {'Run tests'. false}. > } > >There are more scripts that I use to build images on the Pharo Wiki ><http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts>. > >Lukas > >2009/10/20 Johan Brichau <johan.brichau(a)uclouvain.be>: >> >> On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:00, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> >>>> We clearly need a universe like tools so that people can publish and >>>> maintain their add-ons. >>> >>> Yes, but we should be pragmatic for Seaside since it is the "flagship" >>> until we have the infrastructur set up. >>> >>> Maybe we should delete it from the core but we can the loading support >>> in the dev images. What do you all think? >> >> I just loaded metacello and used its seaside configuration to load the >> 3.0-alpha5 of seaside. >> >> It hits the 'reading a number failed' bug in 10487-DEV >> >> ...argh... >> >> >> >> ---------------------------- >> Johan Brichau >> johan.brichau(a)uclouvain.be >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > >-- >Lukas Renggli >http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Oct. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] scriptloader>>loadComanche

by keith

On 20 Oct 2009, at 20:30, keith wrote: > > On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:08, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Yeap >> this is what I mean with Universes. >> >> Stef >> >> On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:15 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> Damien I would really like to see Universes coming back. Do we have >>>> any chance getting it back? >>> >>> No, not in the sense of what was the previous Universes system. What >>> we really want: >>> >>> - a repository on SqueakSource >>> - a package in that repository with a single class >>> - this class defines one method per package we support >>> - each method as a small script to load the package (best thing for >>> the method would be to load the loader of the particular package and >>> launch it) > > You just described Sake/Packages and you know it. > > Keith sake/packages loading seaside 3.0 AND unloading http://www.vimeo.com/groups/squeak/videos/5434330 Keith

Oct. 20, 2009