October 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Dumb question: ~ vs. /home/user

by Nicolas Cellier

If you follow that path, don't forget we might require a way to escape '\~' Nicolas 2009/10/4 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: > Nicolas, > > It is OS-specific, but there is no reason to avoid doing things that are expected on the local host - mac menus come to mind. Â An OS-neutral approach gets the least-common denominator. Â Another more fundamental example: the windows guys should get ready to part with drive letters :) > > I think Randall nailed it with wildcards; that's where it fits. Â I suppose one could provide a Windows version of it (/home/user could map to the documents and settings craziness), though I learned the hard way to steer clear of such things on Windows - if I have to use Windows, give me my own directory on c: any day. > > This cropped up in porting one of my tools that I've used for longer than I care to describe, and have ported a couple of times. Â Now I need a Linux version of it, and ~ would be a nice solution to some problems that quickly surfaced. > > Bill > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cellier > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:28 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Dumb question: ~ vs. /home/user > > Isn't this OS-centric ? > > Nicolas > > 2009/10/4 Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com>: >>>>>>> "Wilhelm" == Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: >> >> Wilhelm> Understood - the question was (is?) whether or not Pharo >> Wilhelm> should recognize it and act accordingly - I suspect the answer is no. >> >> It *should* be understood and interpreted in the same places where '*' >> and '?' and '[]' are used for globbing, since it's effectively a >> globbing character. >> >> So for example, presuming a hypothetical: >> >> Â '*.st' matchingFiles >> >> to return everything matching in the default directory, then: >> >> Â '~/foo' matchingFiles >> >> should return something relative to the home directory of the current user. >> >> -- >> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 >> 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> >> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside >> discussion >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dumb question: ~ vs. /home/user

by merlyn＠stonehenge.com

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael van der Gulik <mikevdg(a)gmail.com> writes: Michael> Note that there's quite a few special characters in the userspace commands Michael> and they vary from shell to shell. Some of them are quite cool. I like "ls Michael> **" which lists a directory tree on some shells. I'd limit any such globbing to "classic" globs (I think they're regulated as part of POSIX), although yes, in reality, I have zsh extendedglobs enabled. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion

Oct. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dumb question: ~ vs. /home/user

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Nicolas, It is OS-specific, but there is no reason to avoid doing things that are expected on the local host - mac menus come to mind. An OS-neutral approach gets the least-common denominator. Another more fundamental example: the windows guys should get ready to part with drive letters :) I think Randall nailed it with wildcards; that's where it fits. I suppose one could provide a Windows version of it (/home/user could map to the documents and settings craziness), though I learned the hard way to steer clear of such things on Windows - if I have to use Windows, give me my own directory on c: any day. This cropped up in porting one of my tools that I've used for longer than I care to describe, and have ported a couple of times. Now I need a Linux version of it, and ~ would be a nice solution to some problems that quickly surfaced. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cellier Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:28 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Dumb question: ~ vs. /home/user Isn't this OS-centric ? Nicolas 2009/10/4 Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com>: >>>>>> "Wilhelm" == Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: > > Wilhelm> Understood - the question was (is?) whether or not Pharo > Wilhelm> should recognize it and act accordingly - I suspect the answer is no. > > It *should* be understood and interpreted in the same places where '*' > and '?' and '[]' are used for globbing, since it's effectively a > globbing character. > > So for example, presuming a hypothetical: > > Â '*.st' matchingFiles > > to return everything matching in the default directory, then: > > Â '~/foo' matchingFiles > > should return something relative to the home directory of the current user. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside > discussion > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Splitting MorphicExtras

by Nicolas Cellier

Then it seems both trunk and Pharo don't have the same boundaries. SketchEditorMorph is in trunk/MorphicExtras and Pharo/Morphic Nicolas 2009/10/4 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Thanks. > BTW we already split morphicExtras and remove a lot of stuff. > So is not the case? > > Stef > > On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > >> source.squeak.org/trunk did it, it would be welcome to follow, because >> publishing Morphic is a bit loooongish. >> >> Nicolas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Splitting MorphicExtras

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks. BTW we already split morphicExtras and remove a lot of stuff. So is not the case? Stef On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > source.squeak.org/trunk did it, it would be welcome to follow, because > publishing Morphic is a bit loooongish. > > Nicolas > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dumb question: ~ vs. /home/user

by Michael van der Gulik

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com>wrote: > >>>>> "Wilhelm" == Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: > > Wilhelm> Understood - the question was (is?) whether or not Pharo should > Wilhelm> recognize it and act accordingly - I suspect the answer is no. > > It *should* be understood and interpreted in the same places where > '*' and '?' and '[]' are used for globbing, since it's effectively > a globbing character. > > So for example, presuming a hypothetical: > > '*.st' matchingFiles > > to return everything matching in the default directory, then: > > '~/foo' matchingFiles > > should return something relative to the home directory of the current user. > If I were implementing these I'd put them in a layer of abstraction above FileDirectory and friends; preferably in a separate package. This would also make it work on all OSes. Note that there's quite a few special characters in the userspace commands and they vary from shell to shell. Some of them are quite cool. I like "ls **" which lists a directory tree on some shells. Gulik. -- http://gulik.pbwiki.com/

Oct. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dumb question: ~ vs. /home/user

by Nicolas Cellier

Isn't this OS-centric ? Nicolas 2009/10/4 Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com>: >>>>>> "Wilhelm" == Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: > > Wilhelm> Understood - the question was (is?) whether or not Pharo should > Wilhelm> recognize it and act accordingly - I suspect the answer is no. > > It *should* be understood and interpreted in the same places where > '*' and '?' and '[]' are used for globbing, since it's effectively > a globbing character. > > So for example, presuming a hypothetical: > > Â '*.st' matchingFiles > > to return everything matching in the default directory, then: > > Â '~/foo' matchingFiles > > should return something relative to the home directory of the current user. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Dumb question: ~ vs. /home/user

by merlyn＠stonehenge.com

>>>>> "Wilhelm" == Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: Wilhelm> Understood - the question was (is?) whether or not Pharo should Wilhelm> recognize it and act accordingly - I suspect the answer is no. It *should* be understood and interpreted in the same places where '*' and '?' and '[]' are used for globbing, since it's effectively a globbing character. So for example, presuming a hypothetical: '*.st' matchingFiles to return everything matching in the default directory, then: '~/foo' matchingFiles should return something relative to the home directory of the current user. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion

Oct. 4, 2009

[Pharo-project] Splitting MorphicExtras

by Nicolas Cellier

source.squeak.org/trunk did it, it would be welcome to follow, because publishing Morphic is a bit loooongish. Nicolas

Oct. 4, 2009

[Pharo-project] New Pharo and pharo-web based on core 10466 - Win32 Installer

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi, http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download now includes setup_pharo1.0-10466-BETAdev09.10.1.exe with the lates dev image from Damien. Have fun Torsten -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser

Oct. 4, 2009