January 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Gary: First of all, thanks for your excellent work. I really like Polymorph and I use it as my default "theme". Very very impressive. However, squeak seems to be a bit slower with it. For example, in SqueakDBX we are 4 developers. Two of them cannot use it because is slower enough to loose their patient. I am still newbie in squeak so I really don't know the resasons of this. Perhaps this is a morphic thing and nothing about Polymorph. If this is the case, sorry. Please, continue with your work. I really enjoy Polymorph and happy to be the default in pharo. Cheers, Mariano On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>wrote: > Anything that anyone thinks could be improved? > Happy to consider things... just would be nice to have a central point for > moving forward with Polymorph (in particular) or other tools... > > There is a possibility of open-source release of the PackageListTool > ( > http://www.flickr.com/photos/12018791@N06/2616669616/in/set-721576016593932… > ) > if there is any interest. > > Regards, Gary. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course?

by Gary Chambers

Indeed... though that does make you focus on the underlying stuff and give an opportunity for changing the image to improve your lot! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rueger" <m.rueger(a)acm.org> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course? > Gary Chambers wrote: > >> nicer UI ( ;-) )... > > Never underestimate the repulsive (or is it revolting? ;-) ) effect of > the original Squeak UI on beginners... > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Btw if you use pharo please let us know because this is important for us that we list such use and also the companies. Stef On Jan 29, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Marco D'Ambros wrote: > Hi all! > > I will start teaching a course about software engineering and web > development, and I decided to do it with seaside. > I was wondering whether to use pharo or squeak... which are the > benefits and drawbacks of pharo with respect to squeak, in the context > of a bachelor course? > The students know about object oriented programming but don't about > smalltalk, so in the first weeks we will teach smalltalk. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks and cheers > Marco D'Ambros > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Use pharo (better UI). Once we will have pharo 1.0 we will work on pharo by example. Seaside is now developed using pharo. Stef On Jan 29, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Marco D'Ambros wrote: > Hi all! > > I will start teaching a course about software engineering and web > development, and I decided to do it with seaside. > I was wondering whether to use pharo or squeak... which are the > benefits and drawbacks of pharo with respect to squeak, in the context > of a bachelor course? > The students know about object oriented programming but don't about > smalltalk, so in the first weeks we will teach smalltalk. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks and cheers > Marco D'Ambros > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course?

by Michael Rueger

Gary Chambers wrote: > nicer UI ( ;-) )... Never underestimate the repulsive (or is it revolting? ;-) ) effect of the original Squeak UI on beginners... Michael

Jan. 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

would be nice. Stef On Jan 29, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Anything that anyone thinks could be improved? The size of MCBrowser. > Happy to consider things... just would be nice to have a central > point for > moving forward with Polymorph (in particular) or other tools... Yes it would be nice if we could move on at the integration level. > > > There is a possibility of open-source release of the PackageListTool > (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12018791@N06/2616669616/in/set-721576016593932… > ) > if there is any interest. > > Regards, Gary. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Updated Polymorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I will do a release as soon as I can. Stef On Jan 29, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Once SqueakSource is back up there will be an updated version of the > DiffTools. > Added support for selecting conflicts (and showing the number > outstanding) > to the merge tools. > > Polymorph-Tools-Diff-gvc.9 > > Enjoy. > > Regards, Gary. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course?

by Gary Chambers

For our internal and outsourced courses we used Pharo as a basis since that will become the default for new development. Benefits of Pharo - less clutter that can be distracting while learning, nicer UI ( ;-) )... Downsides - less experimental/fun stuff, though that can be added. If that's any help... Regards, Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco D'Ambros" <marco.dambros(a)lu.unisi.ch> To: <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course? > Hi all! > > I will start teaching a course about software engineering and web > development, and I decided to do it with seaside. > I was wondering whether to use pharo or squeak... which are the > benefits and drawbacks of pharo with respect to squeak, in the context > of a bachelor course? > The students know about object oriented programming but don't about > smalltalk, so in the first weeks we will teach smalltalk. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks and cheers > Marco D'Ambros > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 29, 2009

[Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes

by Gary Chambers

Anything that anyone thinks could be improved? Happy to consider things... just would be nice to have a central point for moving forward with Polymorph (in particular) or other tools... There is a possibility of open-source release of the PackageListTool (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12018791@N06/2616669616/in/set-721576016593932…) if there is any interest. Regards, Gary.

Jan. 29, 2009

[Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course?

by Marco D'Ambros

Hi all! I will start teaching a course about software engineering and web development, and I decided to do it with seaside. I was wondering whether to use pharo or squeak... which are the benefits and drawbacks of pharo with respect to squeak, in the context of a bachelor course? The students know about object oriented programming but don't about smalltalk, so in the first weeks we will teach smalltalk. Any suggestions? Thanks and cheers Marco D'Ambros

Jan. 29, 2009