January 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] how this test can be right

by Lukas Renggli

> I was never said that elements are iterate in a set the same way that > they are added. That's just by chance that it works, because the hash of a SmallInteger is itself. As soon as the set starts to grow or as soon as you don't add the numbers in order the result will be different. I wouldn't write such a test, it depends on the internal implementation of Set and SmallInteger and is likely to break. Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 16, 2009

[Pharo-project] how this test can be right

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

testAsCommaString {OrderedCollection new. Set new.} do: [ :coll | self assert: coll asCommaString = ''. coll add: 1. self assert: coll asCommaString = '1'. coll add: 2; add: 3. self assert: coll asCommaString = '1, 2, 3']. I was never said that elements are iterate in a set the same way that they are added. Stef

Jan. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Mac OS X VM (Squeak 3.8.20beta1U) issue

by John M McIntosh

I've posted a 3.8.21b1 to my experimental directory for testing. I can't quite yet post it for regular usage because I need to cross check any changes against the squeakvm.org SVN tree, however that site is dead at the moment, awaiting it's recovery... Still people can download and confirm the NFS lockup problem has gone away, and there are no sporadic write failures. On 15-Jan-09, at 11:55 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: > Ok, what I'm going to do here is push out a 3.8.21 later today. > The new behaviour has I believe these two bugs which are show > stoppers for general release. > > (a) Save image when image is on a NFS drive, does not work. VM locks > up, image file is truncated. > (b) Sporadic reports of image write failing when on local hard drive. -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Jan. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] AlignementMorphBob1 removed

by Igor Stasenko

2009/1/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > :) > > Jannik understood today why we forked :) and why we were really > thinking that > people are not serious when they want to keep squeak as it was. > We cannot attract all the smart guys we want with a system like that. > So we are improving :) > > This is sad because there are so much fun stuff. But fun does not mean > shitty. +1 > So we will rebuild them. I hope that people will have fun building > cool new fun > tools and apps in Pharo. > > The isKindOf: plague is also terrrrrrrible. > I learned about the ownerThatIsA: today (arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh). > Morphic is the proof that graph traversal as programming paradigm is > doomed (cf. K. Lieberherr moto - > I think all his queries are doomed too -ok you may get something more > flexible, dynamic but at which price > and for which real use case...) > >>> remove AlignmentMorphBob1 >> >> YES, a dream come true ;-) >> >> michael > > I'm sad but the next on my pirate boat board "planche" are > - BookMorph and friends -- don't we like class depending on their > subclasses - yeah. > - Project (we will have to pay a bit more attention) > > Once etoy is finally removed, will restart to work on that and these > freaks are out > we will really be on a cleaner world. > keep going! :) > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Jan. 15, 2009

[Pharo-project] {Spam?} Re: AlignementMorphBob1 removed

by Bill Schwab

Stef, There is nothing to stop us and others from having fun on top of a clean system with a user interface that can meet the expectations of users, paying and otherwise. The cleanup is long overdue and very much starting to show. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 1/15/2009 3:47:19 PM >>> :) Jannik understood today why we forked :) and why we were really thinking that people are not serious when they want to keep squeak as it was. We cannot attract all the smart guys we want with a system like that. So we are improving :) This is sad because there are so much fun stuff. But fun does not mean shitty. So we will rebuild them. I hope that people will have fun building cool new fun tools and apps in Pharo. The isKindOf: plague is also terrrrrrrible. I learned about the ownerThatIsA: today (arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh). Morphic is the proof that graph traversal as programming paradigm is doomed (cf. K. Lieberherr moto - I think all his queries are doomed too -ok you may get something more flexible, dynamic but at which price and for which real use case...) >> remove AlignmentMorphBob1 > > YES, a dream come true ;-) > > michael I'm sad but the next on my pirate boat board "planche" are - BookMorph and friends -- don't we like class depending on their subclasses - yeah. - Project (we will have to pay a bit more attention) Once etoy is finally removed, will restart to work on that and these freaks are out we will really be on a cleaner world. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] AlignementMorphBob1 removed

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

:) Jannik understood today why we forked :) and why we were really thinking that people are not serious when they want to keep squeak as it was. We cannot attract all the smart guys we want with a system like that. So we are improving :) This is sad because there are so much fun stuff. But fun does not mean shitty. So we will rebuild them. I hope that people will have fun building cool new fun tools and apps in Pharo. The isKindOf: plague is also terrrrrrrible. I learned about the ownerThatIsA: today (arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh). Morphic is the proof that graph traversal as programming paradigm is doomed (cf. K. Lieberherr moto - I think all his queries are doomed too -ok you may get something more flexible, dynamic but at which price and for which real use case...) >> remove AlignmentMorphBob1 > > YES, a dream come true ;-) > > michael I'm sad but the next on my pirate boat board "planche" are - BookMorph and friends -- don't we like class depending on their subclasses - yeah. - Project (we will have to pay a bit more attention) Once etoy is finally removed, will restart to work on that and these freaks are out we will really be on a cleaner world. Stef

Jan. 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] AlignementMorphBob1 removed

by Michael Rueger

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > remove AlignmentMorphBob1 YES, a dream come true ;-) michael

Jan. 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Mac OS X VM (Squeak 3.8.20beta1U) issue

by John M McIntosh

Ok, what I'm going to do here is push out a 3.8.21 later today. I will revert to the old behaviour, however this will have a info.plist flag that allows you choose the new mmap performance since it does gain a few hundred milliseconds of time on a launch. The new behaviour has I believe these two bugs which are show stoppers for general release. (a) Save image when image is on a NFS drive, does not work. VM locks up, image file is truncated. (b) Sporadic reports of image write failing when on local hard drive. I will retain the new behaviour for the iPhone VM since the saving is on the order of seconds. On 14-Jan-09, at 7:53 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: > Ok, well I'll push out a 3.8.21b1 later today. > > On 14-Jan-09, at 7:25 AM, Alain Fischer wrote: > >> The server is Mac OS X 10.5 (Darwin Kernel Version 9.6.0) >> >> On 14 janv. 09, at 16:12, John M McIntosh wrote: >> >>> Ok, well it seems there is a problem with mmap and mapping files >>> on NFS drives under older versions of linux. >>> So is the server involved linux? >>> >>> Obviously I can see a 3.8.21 series VM being generated tomorrow.. -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Jan. 15, 2009

[Pharo-project] AlignementMorphBob1 removed

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi all with jannik we published two slice in the inbox to clean some dependencies: One remove onwerOfThatClassIs:orA: the other one merge AlignementMorphBob1 into AlignementMorph remove AlignmentMorphBob1 remove ThreadProjectNavigator and damage a bit more Project :) I would appreciate if somebody can have a look and give feedback. This would be good that we got more code review in pharo. Stef

Jan. 15, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Big problem with the implementation of traits

by Damien Cassou

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > BTW, why is this so pressing now? This bug has existed for four years. We are writing an article and we have lots of metrics automatically calculated (and the LaTeX tables are also automatically generated). Since the article and the metrics are about trait users... -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

Jan. 15, 2009