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Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by Serge Stinckwich

2009/1/20 Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 00:47, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the > language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? > > > > +1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too > > different than writing in smalltalk :) > > Smalltalk only has syntax for method bodies, it lacks a (practical) > one for declaring packages/classes/categories/method declarations in a > single block of text. > Ok, you add some convenience methods in order to declare packages/classes/ ... more easily, but the syntax is still the same ? -- Serge Stinckwich IRD - UR 079 Geodes, MSI Team, Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] - New SqueakDBX release

by Mariano Martinez Peck

As promise, here are new benchmarks: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6063 Till now, we only have benchmarks for PostgreSQL. Now we have for all the supported backends. Cheers, Mariano On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We are very glad to announce our second beta release of SqueakDBX. > > The aim of this project is to build an OpenDBX > (http://www.linuxnetworks.de/doc/index.php/OpenDBX/) plugin which will > allow users to perform relational database operations (DDL, DML and > SQL) through a truly open source library. > > The features for this release are: > > Bugs fixed: > > - Bug in odbx_query(), odbx_result() and odbx_result_finish() execution > order. > - Timeout in DBXPlatform #nextResultSet: was wrong mapped with FFI. > Now, it is nil. > - Some bugs in OpenDBXWin32 with apiCalls. > > New Features: > > -Support for SQLite in Linux > -Support for MSSQL in linux and windows (with MinGW) > -Support for PostgreSQL in Windows (with MinGW). > -Better error handling. See http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6076 > -New <http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6076-New> non-blocking plugin to > replace FFI (just a proof of concept, but > running). See OpenDBX-Plugin package in Monticello. > -New SqueakDBX tutorial: how to compile openDBX in linux and windwos, > common problems and solutions. You can download it from: > > http://www.assembla.com/spaces/Proyecto-Proyecto/documents/a0bKPg0qCr3Aeaab… > . > However this pdf will be converted into "wiki format" and put there. > -Configurable Log. See http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6099 > -Refactorized <http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6099-Refactorized> and > updated wiki: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 > > > - We will be adding benchmarks on different backends and OS soon in > the wiki: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6063. > - You must use openDBX 1.3.10 version. > > Useful links from wiki: > > - Current supported backends, operating system and squeak images here: > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6108 > - ChangeLog: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6109 > - Targets and Features: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6106 > > > Again, help wanted. We are really convinced about open source > projects. A software project is better when people share opinions, > work, advice, comments, etc. > We would really appreciate if you: > > -Give us opinions, comments, ideas, new features, complaints and so on. > -tell us if you find a bug. > -tell us if you test SqueakDBX with other RDMBS or OS different from > the ones we tested. Just to know if it works or not :) > > Full documentation, installation and getting started instructions can > be found at wiki page: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 > > Packages can be installed from Universe (3.10) or SqueakMap. Current > version is 0.8 > Sources can be download from SqueakSource > http://www.squeaksource.com/SqueakDBX (it requires FFI installed) > > Cheers, > > SqueakDBX team >

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by Bill Schwab

Damien, Stef, You guys are smart - ok, so that's an understatement. If you say we need a scripting language, we need one. However, I urge you to consider a chain of doits, maybe some cascades thrown in, and facades involving class methods. It seems that would provide a LOT of functionality if done with a mix of care, pragmatism, and directed laziness. If you can tell us about (or point us to existing descriptions of) the goals, I will gladly take a look with an eye toward saving you some work. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> damien.pollet(a)gmail.com 01/19/09 7:10 PM >>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 00:47, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? > > +1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too > different than writing in smalltalk :) Smalltalk only has syntax for method bodies, it lacks a (practical) one for declaring packages/classes/categories/method declarations in a single block of text. -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [MC] [ANN] Sourcetalk

by Damien Pollet

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 09:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > but why saving the complete package is a problem. > I hate to have a piece of code and not be able to use because another > part is on nother server and down or gone. He meant, when you work on one package, how to commit only part of the changes in the image, and keep the rest of the changes for a later commit. > > Stef > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk >> > wrote: >> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> > Excelents both documents. I really like them! >> > >> > I am one of the SqueakDBX team and one reason I really hate >> monticello >> > is that when every time I want to save (commit) it commits full >> > package. This is very annoying, >> So switch it to diff mode. >> >> I think there is something I don't know about MC. Suppose I have a >> whole package. I modified some clases. But I don't want to commit >> some of those changes. If I see diff mode, I can see the diffs, but, >> If I commit, I commit all. Not only the changes I want. To do that, >> I have to override the rest of the changes so that not to commit >> them. And, If I do this, I loose those changes. So, I have to backup >> those changes in a file, then commit, and recover the changes again. >> >> I mean, I would like something like CVS or SVN where you can commit >> what you want, no the whole package. >> >> I don't know If I could express myself. Sorry for my English. >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by Damien Pollet

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 00:47, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? > > +1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too > different than writing in smalltalk :) Smalltalk only has syntax for method bodies, it lacks a (practical) one for declaring packages/classes/categories/method declarations in a single block of text. -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by Igor Stasenko

2009/1/20 Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: > Stef, > > My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? > +1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too different than writing in smalltalk :) > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > >>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> > hi guys > > gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in > another world sapphir). > Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas > please let us know. > Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace > and love sarcasm). > > I was thinking about > zephir, > thunder, > storm, > wave, > wale, > orcal, > Maikai > to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian > MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea > atoll, > maibai > >>> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >>> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >>> "Cliff" and "Bay". > > from lukas > > I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll > But I like Tombolo too. > > stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Jan. 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Workspace Enhancement

by Alexandre Bergel

> Neat behaviour - I'll have to try it out (like, what happens when > you have 5 open workspaces - do they all have access to the same > list of history? Just something to try). > > What about contents of workspace variables? Are those stored in the > history as well? Actually, I seldom reuse variables across workspaces and have no more than 2 or 3 workspace at the same time. What would be the ideal scenario for variables? Thanks for your words, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by Bill Schwab

Stef, My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm). I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai >> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >> "Cliff" and "Bay". from lukas I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too. stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 19, 2009

[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10209 Watchit integration

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks for watchit. Now it is nicely integrated in pharo. Stef

Jan. 19, 2009

[Pharo-project] Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

hi guys gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm). I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄÊ»ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai >> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >> "Cliff" and "Bay". from lukas I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too. stef

Jan. 19, 2009