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Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Michael Roberts wrote: > +1 > I would pick something that meant free (liberated) or light weight. I > can't think of many at the moment but how about wisp or crest (of a > wave) crest is nice :) Central Resistant Emancipating Smalltalk French: Ã©cume English: foam - froth - scum - surf Tombolo looks strange in french because of tombola = lottery > > > Mike > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> We want a real scripting syntax not with !! >> I will not reopen the story: wait and see. >> This is since two years that we have that nearly ready but never >> suceeded to release it. >> >> >> On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: >> >>> Stef, >>> >>> My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but >>> the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to >>> understand it? >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >>> University of Florida >>> Department of Anesthesiology >>> PO Box 100254 >>> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 >>> >>> Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu >>> Tel: (352) 273-6785 >>> FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> >>>>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> >>> hi guys >>> >>> gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in >>> another world sapphir). >>> Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas >>> please let us know. >>> Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature >>> (peace >>> and love sarcasm). >>> >>> I was thinking about >>> zephir, >>> thunder, >>> storm, >>> wave, >>> wale, >>> orcal, >>> Maikai >>> to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian >>> MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea >>> atoll, >>> maibai >>> >>>>> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >>>>> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >>>>> "Cliff" and "Bay". >>> >>> from lukas >>> >>> I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll >>> But I like Tombolo too. >>> >>> stef >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Workspace Enhancement

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:03 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > It happened to me more than once, that I accidently had some huge > objects hanging in a workspace leading to a memory leak. So > remembering the variables can be a dangerous thing. yes :) > However, just remembering the string isn't that useful either. I often > build objects that I keep around in a workspace to play with. Without > remembering these instances the code snippets in the workspace are > useless. > > So I don't know ;-) a class :) Stef > > > Lukas > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> I would not bother there are inspectors for this kind of things. >> You create an object and get several snippets >> >> Else you write a class, no? >> >> >> On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>>> Neat behaviour - I'll have to try it out (like, what happens when >>>> you have 5 open workspaces - do they all have access to the same >>>> list of history? Just something to try). >>>> >>>> What about contents of workspace variables? Are those stored in >>>> the >>>> history as well? >>> >>> Actually, I seldom reuse variables across workspaces and have no >>> more >>> than 2 or 3 workspace at the same time. >>> What would be the ideal scenario for variables? >>> >>> Thanks for your words, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] call for help for test

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi all we have some work to do about tests - long - interactive .... If you can/want help please let me know. I see two kinds of actions - having a look at Keith Unit extensions to see how we can fix the current situation - fixing current situation Stef

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by Michael Roberts

+1 I would pick something that meant free (liberated) or light weight. I can't think of many at the moment but how about wisp or crest (of a wave) Mike On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > We want a real scripting syntax not with !! > I will not reopen the story: wait and see. > This is since two years that we have that nearly ready but never > suceeded to release it. > > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: > >> Stef, >> >> My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but >> the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to >> understand it? >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >> University of Florida >> Department of Anesthesiology >> PO Box 100254 >> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 >> >> Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu >> Tel: (352) 273-6785 >> FAX: (352) 392-7029 >> >>>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> >> hi guys >> >> gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in >> another world sapphir). >> Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas >> please let us know. >> Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace >> and love sarcasm). >> >> I was thinking about >> zephir, >> thunder, >> storm, >> wave, >> wale, >> orcal, >> Maikai >> to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian >> MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea >> atoll, >> maibai >> >>>> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >>>> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >>>> "Cliff" and "Bay". >> >> from lukas >> >> I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll >> But I like Tombolo too. >> >> stef >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys, sorry to be blunt but I will ***NOT*** discuss this topic on this list. I'm tired. We are a couple that want to write ruby-like script in pharo with a smalltalk syntax but we want something else that !! as delimiter. So we have a first version and we will use it for our scripting wishes. We will learn from it and may be adpat it a bit in the future but first we will use it and not discuss endlessly. Stef I do not want to write but you can: 'From Pharo0.1 of 16 May 2008 [Latest update: #10201] on 30 December 2008 at 7:27:25 pm'! "Change Set: M7256-SmallDictionary-capacity-Test Date: 30 December 2008 Author: nice This is a non regression test for http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7256 "! TestCase subclass: #SmallDictionaryTest instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'CollectionsTests-Unordered'! !SmallDictionaryTest methodsFor: 'testing' stamp: 'nice 12/30/2008 19:26'! testCapacity "this is a non regression test for http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7256 " self shouldnt: [SmallDictionary new capacity] raise: Error! ! !SmallDictionaryTest reorganize! ('testing' testCapacity) ! On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: > Stef, > > My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but > the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to > understand it? > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > >>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> > hi guys > > gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in > another world sapphir). > Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas > please let us know. > Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace > and love sarcasm). > > I was thinking about > zephir, > thunder, > storm, > wave, > wale, > orcal, > Maikai > to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian > MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea > atoll, > maibai > >>> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >>> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >>> "Cliff" and "Bay". > > from lukas > > I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll > But I like Tombolo too. > > stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Workspace Enhancement

by Lukas Renggli

It happened to me more than once, that I accidently had some huge objects hanging in a workspace leading to a memory leak. So remembering the variables can be a dangerous thing. However, just remembering the string isn't that useful either. I often build objects that I keep around in a workspace to play with. Without remembering these instances the code snippets in the workspace are useless. So I don't know ;-) Lukas On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I would not bother there are inspectors for this kind of things. > You create an object and get several snippets > > Else you write a class, no? > > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >>> Neat behaviour - I'll have to try it out (like, what happens when >>> you have 5 open workspaces - do they all have access to the same >>> list of history? Just something to try). >>> >>> What about contents of workspace variables? Are those stored in the >>> history as well? >> >> Actually, I seldom reuse variables across workspaces and have no more >> than 2 or 3 workspace at the same time. >> What would be the ideal scenario for variables? >> >> Thanks for your words, >> Alexandre >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] - New SqueakDBX release

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks. I'm not expert but I appreciate your dedication because this is difficult to obtain robust software, and it deserves care and time. So keep your good job. Stef On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:11 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > As promise, here are new benchmarks: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/ > 6063 > > Till now, we only have benchmarks for PostgreSQL. Now we have for > all the supported backends. > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > We are very glad to announce our second beta release of SqueakDBX. > > The aim of this project is to build an OpenDBX > (http://www.linuxnetworks.de/doc/index.php/OpenDBX/) plugin which will > allow users to perform relational database operations (DDL, DML and > SQL) through a truly open source library. > > The features for this release are: > > Bugs fixed: > > - Bug in odbx_query(), odbx_result() and odbx_result_finish() > execution order. > - Timeout in DBXPlatform #nextResultSet: was wrong mapped with FFI. > Now, it is nil. > - Some bugs in OpenDBXWin32 with apiCalls. > > New Features: > > -Support for SQLite in Linux > -Support for MSSQL in linux and windows (with MinGW) > -Support for PostgreSQL in Windows (with MinGW). > -Better error handling. See http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6076 > -New non-blocking plugin to replace FFI (just a proof of concept, but > running). See OpenDBX-Plugin package in Monticello. > -New SqueakDBX tutorial: how to compile openDBX in linux and windwos, > common problems and solutions. You can download it from: > http://www.assembla.com/spaces/Proyecto-Proyecto/documents/a0bKPg0qCr3Aeaab… > . > However this pdf will be converted into "wiki format" and put there. > -Configurable Log. See http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6099 > -Refactorized and updated wiki: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 > > > - We will be adding benchmarks on different backends and OS soon in > the wiki: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6063. > - You must use openDBX 1.3.10 version. > > Useful links from wiki: > > - Current supported backends, operating system and squeak images here: > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6108 > - ChangeLog: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6109 > - Targets and Features: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6106 > > > Again, help wanted. We are really convinced about open source > projects. A software project is better when people share opinions, > work, advice, comments, etc. > We would really appreciate if you: > > -Give us opinions, comments, ideas, new features, complaints and so > on. > -tell us if you find a bug. > -tell us if you test SqueakDBX with other RDMBS or OS different from > the ones we tested. Just to know if it works or not :) > > Full documentation, installation and getting started instructions can > be found at wiki page: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 > > Packages can be installed from Universe (3.10) or SqueakMap. Current > version is 0.8 > Sources can be download from SqueakSource > http://www.squeaksource.com/SqueakDBX (it requires FFI installed) > > Cheers, > > SqueakDBX team > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We want a real scripting syntax not with !! I will not reopen the story: wait and see. This is since two years that we have that nearly ready but never suceeded to release it. On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: > Stef, > > My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but > the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to > understand it? > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > >>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> > hi guys > > gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in > another world sapphir). > Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas > please let us know. > Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace > and love sarcasm). > > I was thinking about > zephir, > thunder, > storm, > wave, > wale, > orcal, > Maikai > to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian > MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea > atoll, > maibai > >>> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >>> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >>> "Cliff" and "Bay". > > from lukas > > I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll > But I like Tombolo too. > > stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Workspace Enhancement

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I would not bother there are inspectors for this kind of things. You create an object and get several snippets Else you write a class, no? On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> Neat behaviour - I'll have to try it out (like, what happens when >> you have 5 open workspaces - do they all have access to the same >> list of history? Just something to try). >> >> What about contents of workspace variables? Are those stored in the >> history as well? > > Actually, I seldom reuse variables across workspaces and have no more > than 2 or 3 workspace at the same time. > What would be the ideal scenario for variables? > > Thanks for your words, > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax

by Igor Stasenko

2009/1/20 Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)doesnotunderstand.org>: > > > 2009/1/20 Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> >> >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 00:47, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the >> >> language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? >> > >> > +1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too >> > different than writing in smalltalk :) >> >> Smalltalk only has syntax for method bodies, it lacks a (practical) >> one for declaring packages/classes/categories/method declarations in a >> single block of text. > > Ok, you add some convenience methods in order to declare packages/classes/ > ... more easily, but the syntax is still the same ? > what is surprising in this, that i first found smalltalk when was looking for a simple yet powerful dynamic language to use for scripting. And now, i hear that its not suited well for scripting.. > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > IRD - UR 079 Geodes, MSI Team, Hanoi, Vietnam > Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Jan. 20, 2009