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Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I would love to have on mac left most button 1 select right most button menu right most + ctrl or shit -> halos stef On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Damien Cassou wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? >>> yes it should :) >> >> Not sure because this will annoy users of MS Windows. > > so what mouse button mappings do we want on each platform for 1, 2 > and 3 > button mice? Although I don't think a lot of people still use 3 > button mice. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by Michael Rueger

Damien Cassou wrote: > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? >> yes it should :) > > Not sure because this will annoy users of MS Windows. so what mouse button mappings do we want on each platform for 1, 2 and 3 button mice? Although I don't think a lot of people still use 3 button mice. Michael

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by Adrian Lienhard

On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:16 , Damien Cassou wrote: > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? >> >> yes it should :) > > Not sure because this will annoy users of MS Windows. Right. I think best would be that if the preferences is not explicitly set the behavior depends on the current OS. Adrian

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by Damien Cassou

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? > > yes it should :) Not sure because this will annoy users of MS Windows. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course?

by Serge Stinckwich

2009/1/30 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Btw if you use pharo please let us know because this is important for > us that we list such use > and also the companies. I already use Pharo for a robotic course in december 2008. The link for the course is : http://www1.ifi.auf.org/mediawiki/index.php/Introduction_%C3%A0_la_robotiqu… -- Serge Stinckwich IRD - UR 079 Geodes, MSI Team, Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 31, 2009

[Pharo-project] Etoy removal next

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > > > Hi > > I worked in the train on removing more etoy classes and I will > produce a release today. > > StakcMorph > ScriptTableButton > UnscriptedPlayer > UniClassSupport in Object class > > Stef > > >

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

on mac os 9.0 :) Stef On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:29 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > 2009/1/31 Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org>: >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On my machine I get: >>> >>> Squeak 3.9: 3800ms >>> Pharo #084: 2950ms >>> Pharo #213: 5200ms >>> >>> #084 is before Polymorph was added and #213 is the most recent >>> version. >>> >>> BTW, with OB: 8590ms. >> >> ouch... >> >> any obvious hotspots? >> > > i think its not very fair to compare OB with old browser. You need > more cycles to draw icons for methods, show categories in tree, not in > a simple list etc. etc. > If you want a real 'ouch' then compare it with MVC browser :) > >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> We used to measure GUI performance with the "Browser-Bench": > > time _ 0. > saveMorphs _ self currentWorld submorphs. > 5 timesRepeat:[ > self currentWorld removeAllMorphs. "heh, heh" > time _ time + (Time millisecondsToRun: > [ > 1 to: 10 do: [:i | Browser fullOnClass: SystemDictionary selector: > #abandonSources]. > self currentWorld submorphs do: [:m | m delete. self currentWorld > doOneCycle]]). > ]. > self currentWorld addAllMorphs: saveMorphs. > time/5 asFloat "print it" > > > On my machine I get: > > Squeak 3.9: 3800ms > Pharo #084: 2950ms > Pharo #213: 5200ms > > #084 is before Polymorph was added and #213 is the most recent > version. > > BTW, with OB: 8590ms. Thanks for kicking our asses. Stef

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ENH] Literal Byte Arrays

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Lukas I will harvest it today. stef On Jan 30, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> Statically, the compiler could make the conversion. No? > > Sure, that would be a possibility, but it is not standard. > > Almost all modern Smalltalk implementations support the #[ ] syntax. > The parsers of the NewCompiler and the RefactoringBrowser already > support the syntax for literal byte arrays for decades. Why the > resistance? > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ENH] Literal Byte Arrays

by Alexandre Bergel

I went through your change. Very small change, lean, and well tested. Cheers, Alexandre On 30 Jan 2009, at 08:47, Lukas Renggli wrote: > I committed a patch that adds literal byte arrays to Pharo, with the > same syntax as most other Smalltalk do (VW, VASt, GST). > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=468 > > I would appreciate if somebody could review the change, as it would be > very useful for Seaside and solves reoccurring headaches. In my image > I have almost 50 places where even the Pharo base code could profit > from this extension, these places can be identified using the search > expression: > > `#literal asByteArray > > I can provide a refactoring at a later point, if desired. > > The change is simple and loads through Monticello, even if this is > modifying the scanner on the fly. > > Cheers, > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 31, 2009