January 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] the sticky question

by Gary Chambers

DualChangeSorter is really horrible in the way it combines the two ChangeSorter models... Have a fix that should have acceptable behaviour though. Regards, Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chambers" <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] the sticky question > Is an issue with Polymorph dialogs... see my comment on google issues. > > Regards, Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Lienhard" <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] the sticky question > > >> Hi Nicolas, >> >> Thanks for reporting. >> I created http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=459 >> >> If the tool is outdated we should remove it, if not we should fix the >> bug... >> >> Adrian >> >> On Jan 22, 2009, at 21:11 , Nicolas Cellier wrote: >> >>> Sorry to bother you about a maybe outdated tool, but try this: >>> >>> Open a dual change sorter. >>> Type any text and don't accept it >>> switch to another window (Workspace, Browser whatever) >>> Come back to the change sorter. >>> >>> Here comes the sticky question... >>> The only way to get out is closing the change sorter with red button. >>> Or use a debugger... >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [MC] [ANN] Sourcetalk

by Lukas Renggli

Yes, have a look at one of the projects. You can browse the code online. Lukas On 1/23/09, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > >> I guess that Stef emphasized the importance to not rely on previous >> versions. >> >> > Yes, Stef doesn't like it but I do. > > >> >> >> >> On 20 Jan 2009, at 01:14, Damien Pollet wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 09:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> but why saving the complete package is a problem. >> >> I hate to have a piece of code and not be able to use because another >> >> part is on nother server and down or gone. >> > >> > He meant, when you work on one package, how to commit only part of the >> > changes in the image, and keep the rest of the changes for a later >> > commit. >> > >> > > > Thanks Damien ! That's exactly what I wanted to say. > > Another question, will sourcetalk let us browse code in our browser ? > Seaside has that component, hasn't it ? > > thanks! > > mariano > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Keith Hodges < >> keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk >> >>>> wrote: >> >>> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>>> Excelents both documents. I really like them! >> >>>> >> >>>> I am one of the SqueakDBX team and one reason I really hate >> >>> monticello >> >>>> is that when every time I want to save (commit) it commits full >> >>>> package. This is very annoying, >> >>> So switch it to diff mode. >> >>> >> >>> I think there is something I don't know about MC. Suppose I have a >> >>> whole package. I modified some clases. But I don't want to commit >> >>> some of those changes. If I see diff mode, I can see the diffs, but, >> >>> If I commit, I commit all. Not only the changes I want. To do that, >> >>> I have to override the rest of the changes so that not to commit >> >>> them. And, If I do this, I loose those changes. So, I have to backup >> >>> those changes in a file, then commit, and recover the changes again. >> >>> >> >>> I mean, I would like something like CVS or SVN where you can commit >> >>> what you want, no the whole package. >> >>> >> >>> I don't know If I could express myself. Sorry for my English. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Keith >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Damien Pollet >> > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [MC] [ANN] Sourcetalk

by Lukas Renggli

Yes, have a look at one of the projects. You can browse the code online. Lukas On 1/23/09, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > >> I guess that Stef emphasized the importance to not rely on previous >> versions. >> >> > Yes, Stef doesn't like it but I do. > > >> >> >> >> On 20 Jan 2009, at 01:14, Damien Pollet wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 09:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> but why saving the complete package is a problem. >> >> I hate to have a piece of code and not be able to use because another >> >> part is on nother server and down or gone. >> > >> > He meant, when you work on one package, how to commit only part of the >> > changes in the image, and keep the rest of the changes for a later >> > commit. >> > >> > > > Thanks Damien ! That's exactly what I wanted to say. > > Another question, will sourcetalk let us browse code in our browser ? > Seaside has that component, hasn't it ? > > thanks! > > mariano > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Keith Hodges < >> keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk >> >>>> wrote: >> >>> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>>> Excelents both documents. I really like them! >> >>>> >> >>>> I am one of the SqueakDBX team and one reason I really hate >> >>> monticello >> >>>> is that when every time I want to save (commit) it commits full >> >>>> package. This is very annoying, >> >>> So switch it to diff mode. >> >>> >> >>> I think there is something I don't know about MC. Suppose I have a >> >>> whole package. I modified some clases. But I don't want to commit >> >>> some of those changes. If I see diff mode, I can see the diffs, but, >> >>> If I commit, I commit all. Not only the changes I want. To do that, >> >>> I have to override the rest of the changes so that not to commit >> >>> them. And, If I do this, I loose those changes. So, I have to backup >> >>> those changes in a file, then commit, and recover the changes again. >> >>> >> >>> I mean, I would like something like CVS or SVN where you can commit >> >>> what you want, no the whole package. >> >>> >> >>> I don't know If I could express myself. Sorry for my English. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Keith >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Damien Pollet >> > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [MC] [ANN] Sourcetalk

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok I understand now what you meant. Stef On Jan 23, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > I guess that Stef emphasized the importance to not rely on previous > versions. > > > Yes, Stef doesn't like it but I do. > > > > > On 20 Jan 2009, at 01:14, Damien Pollet wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 09:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse > > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> but why saving the complete package is a problem. > >> I hate to have a piece of code and not be able to use because > another > >> part is on nother server and down or gone. > > > > He meant, when you work on one package, how to commit only part of > the > > changes in the image, and keep the rest of the changes for a later > > commit. > > > > > Thanks Damien ! That's exactly what I wanted to say. > > Another question, will sourcetalk let us browse code in our > browser ? Seaside has that component, hasn't it ? > > thanks! > > mariano > > > > > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk > >>>> wrote: > >>> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >>>> Excelents both documents. I really like them! > >>>> > >>>> I am one of the SqueakDBX team and one reason I really hate > >>> monticello > >>>> is that when every time I want to save (commit) it commits full > >>>> package. This is very annoying, > >>> So switch it to diff mode. > >>> > >>> I think there is something I don't know about MC. Suppose I have a > >>> whole package. I modified some clases. But I don't want to commit > >>> some of those changes. If I see diff mode, I can see the diffs, > but, > >>> If I commit, I commit all. Not only the changes I want. To do > that, > >>> I have to override the rest of the changes so that not to commit > >>> them. And, If I do this, I loose those changes. So, I have to > backup > >>> those changes in a file, then commit, and recover the changes > again. > >>> > >>> I mean, I would like something like CVS or SVN where you can > commit > >>> what you want, no the whole package. > >>> > >>> I don't know If I could express myself. Sorry for my English. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Keith > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Damien Pollet > > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] the sticky question

by Gary Chambers

Is an issue with Polymorph dialogs... see my comment on google issues. Regards, Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Lienhard" <adi(a)netstyle.ch> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] the sticky question > Hi Nicolas, > > Thanks for reporting. > I created http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=459 > > If the tool is outdated we should remove it, if not we should fix the > bug... > > Adrian > > On Jan 22, 2009, at 21:11 , Nicolas Cellier wrote: > >> Sorry to bother you about a maybe outdated tool, but try this: >> >> Open a dual change sorter. >> Type any text and don't accept it >> switch to another window (Workspace, Browser whatever) >> Come back to the change sorter. >> >> Here comes the sticky question... >> The only way to get out is closing the change sorter with red button. >> Or use a debugger... >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [MC] [ANN] Sourcetalk

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > I guess that Stef emphasized the importance to not rely on previous > versions. > > Yes, Stef doesn't like it but I do. > > > > On 20 Jan 2009, at 01:14, Damien Pollet wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 09:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse > > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> but why saving the complete package is a problem. > >> I hate to have a piece of code and not be able to use because another > >> part is on nother server and down or gone. > > > > He meant, when you work on one package, how to commit only part of the > > changes in the image, and keep the rest of the changes for a later > > commit. > > > Thanks Damien ! That's exactly what I wanted to say. Another question, will sourcetalk let us browse code in our browser ? Seaside has that component, hasn't it ? thanks! mariano > > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Keith Hodges < > keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk > >>>> wrote: > >>> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >>>> Excelents both documents. I really like them! > >>>> > >>>> I am one of the SqueakDBX team and one reason I really hate > >>> monticello > >>>> is that when every time I want to save (commit) it commits full > >>>> package. This is very annoying, > >>> So switch it to diff mode. > >>> > >>> I think there is something I don't know about MC. Suppose I have a > >>> whole package. I modified some clases. But I don't want to commit > >>> some of those changes. If I see diff mode, I can see the diffs, but, > >>> If I commit, I commit all. Not only the changes I want. To do that, > >>> I have to override the rest of the changes so that not to commit > >>> them. And, If I do this, I loose those changes. So, I have to backup > >>> those changes in a file, then commit, and recover the changes again. > >>> > >>> I mean, I would like something like CVS or SVN where you can commit > >>> what you want, no the whole package. > >>> > >>> I don't know If I could express myself. Sorry for my English. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Keith > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Damien Pollet > > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] wiki?

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi John, If you are not in hurry, we are just preparing the Aida/Scribo beta2, with non-Smalltalk end-user friendliness as first priority. This will be (as the current beta1 already is) a one-click image, running out of the the box. Scribo Wiki has also a rich text editor to be user friendly even more. But you can work with usual Wiki syntax as well. As you probably know, Scribo also runs the Squeak website, so even in beta it is already a technology proven in practice. Persistency is currently image based, with auto-snapshot every hour. Attachments like images are stored to disk. No additional setup for this is required. Bst regards Janko John M McIntosh pravi: > Someone asked me for a squeak based wiki the other day and I'm wondering > if there is a pre-built > one around, or recommendations about which one I should load into a > pharo, or seaside image > > I need something: > > (a) lightweight (low memory usage) > (b) easy for people to use that likely won't require opening a manual or > glancing much at help page. > (c) storage will be backed to a file system directory, minimal admin > skills involved here. -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Jan. 23, 2009

[Pharo-project] wiki?

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi John, I use the Comanche Swiki [1] since years. It's very stable, easy to setup/customize and it stores the contents in XML files for pages and files for resources. It's the engine behind wiki.squeak.org. No Smalltalk knowledge required for the user, also the wiki syntax is very easy. I also run one from an USB flash drive - so I can carry my notes with me. (The flash drive also includes various images like an own squeaksource and squeak images together with OS VMs. So I'm independent from working machines.) Havent upgraded the Swiki to the latest release ("OneOfTheseDays") [2] mostly to the AniAniWeb features I dont need. Currently I think I use "HarvestMoon" which came after "Winterlong". Old versions for Win/Mac are available at [3] and [4]. You could also have a look at PierCMS [5] - a CMS wiki written in Seaside, allowing you to embedd seaside applications. Or build you own wiki using Seaside [6] ;) Bye T. [1] http://wiki.squeak.org/swiki/ [2] http://wiki.squeak.org/swiki/15 [3] http://wiki.squeak.org/swiki/uploads/10/ old versions Win [4] http://wiki.squeak.org/swiki/uploads/16/ old version Mac [5] http://www.piercms.com/ [6] http://onsmalltalk.com/a-simple-file-based-wiki-in-seaside -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehÃ¶rt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger

Jan. 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] the sticky question

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Nicolas, Thanks for reporting. I created http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=459 If the tool is outdated we should remove it, if not we should fix the bug... Adrian On Jan 22, 2009, at 21:11 , Nicolas Cellier wrote: > Sorry to bother you about a maybe outdated tool, but try this: > > Open a dual change sorter. > Type any text and don't accept it > switch to another window (Workspace, Browser whatever) > Come back to the change sorter. > > Here comes the sticky question... > The only way to get out is closing the change sorter with red button. > Or use a debugger... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 22, 2009

[Pharo-project] the sticky question

by Nicolas Cellier

Sorry to bother you about a maybe outdated tool, but try this: Open a dual change sorter. Type any text and don't accept it switch to another window (Workspace, Browser whatever) Come back to the change sorter. Here comes the sticky question... The only way to get out is closing the change sorter with red button. Or use a debugger...

Jan. 22, 2009