September 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] how to improve the menus

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

an alternate solution is to gave up on browser and just use OB but do we get the look methods with source in it? Some of the menu items are really nice to have. So who is responsible for the menus in OB? Stef On Sep 12, 2008, at 5:43 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi all > > I wanted to clean the code editing menu. > First I wanted to remove the novice mode preference > > Second the problem is that the workspace and the browser share the > same > menus. Do you have an idea how we can do that the browser has its > own menus? > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 12, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Using the new compiler...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> >> > Poor guys. I was at the french border at that time (ventimiglia/ > menton) > and it was hot and there were no clouds. You must have been on the > other > site of the country :) menton is nice in february :) too much old people there: I know my grand-mother is living there and I lived there when I was a kid :) Stef

Sept. 12, 2008

[Pharo-project] how to improve the menus

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi all I wanted to clean the code editing menu. First I wanted to remove the novice mode preference Second the problem is that the workspace and the browser share the same menus. Do you have an idea how we can do that the browser has its own menus? Stef

Sept. 12, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Monticello 1.5

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi matthew we wanted to see if MC1.6 (the one with actomic loader) could load the compiler fixes Compiler-md.67 available in pharoInbox We tried > HTTPSocket httpFileIn: 'installer.pbwiki.org/f/LPF.st' and it broke on us. so two requests: - could you give a try and tell us if you can load the package? - do you have a version of MC1.6 that does not really on LPF (whatever)? Stef

Sept. 12, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Using the new compiler...

by Alexandre Bergel

> Poor guys. I was at the french border at that time (ventimiglia/ > menton) > and it was hot and there were no clouds. You must have been on the > other > site of the country :) Arg! Do not tell me that... I was born exactly 20 km far from Menton, in Nice. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 12, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Using the new compiler...

by Norbert Hartl

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 10:22 +0200, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > On Sep 6, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > >>> AClass>>foo > >>> .... > >> > >> I do not get what you mean > >> with the old compiler you can use the name of the class in the > >> pattern? > > > > I mean having a sequence of dots in the method body. > > ah... > strange > > >>> Alexandre (who hasn't seen the sun for more than 3 weeks) > >> > >> come on it was really sunny last week-end and half of france is > >> under rain. > > > > I missed the only sunny day apparently, I was in Paris that very day. > > :) > > I pushed the kids in the garden that exact day :) > Poor guys. I was at the french border at that time (ventimiglia/menton) and it was hot and there were no clouds. You must have been on the other site of the country :) Norbert

Sept. 12, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Discussion summary and milestones

by Marcus Denker

On 12.09.2008, at 16:00, Norbert Hartl wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 08:07 +0200, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> Michael >> This is not a question for us. Let us face it seriously we are not >> expert on VM building > > That is right. So this is a problem changing the code and maintaining > our own vm. It's too much work without the necessary expertise. But on > the other side the combination of vmmaker/slang/c does also not > attract > anyone to get into the vm stuff. So we would be bound to that a long > time. > > Wouldn't Spy (http://pypysqueak.blogspot.com/) be a benefit in the > long > run. I'm very interested in vm stuff (at the moment just reading). For > me it is much more attractive approach I would try to dive into. My > opinion is that it is more flexible and opens worlds like LLVM > (http://llvm.org/) and friends for us. What do you think? > The Squeak-in-python was an experiment. It it not really realistic to think that the result will be a replacement for the current vm anytime soon. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Sept. 12, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] InstallerTest

by Damien Cassou

It's included in http://www.squeaksource.com/Testing/SUnit-kph.112.mcz On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Alexandre Bergel <Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi Keith, > > None of the test in InstallerTest pass. The class ClassClonerTestResource is > missing. > Any idea how to fix this? > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Sept. 12, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Discussion summary and milestones

by Norbert Hartl

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 08:07 +0200, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Michael > This is not a question for us. Let us face it seriously we are not > expert on VM building That is right. So this is a problem changing the code and maintaining our own vm. It's too much work without the necessary expertise. But on the other side the combination of vmmaker/slang/c does also not attract anyone to get into the vm stuff. So we would be bound to that a long time. Wouldn't Spy (http://pypysqueak.blogspot.com/) be a benefit in the long run. I'm very interested in vm stuff (at the moment just reading). For me it is much more attractive approach I would try to dive into. My opinion is that it is more flexible and opens worlds like LLVM (http://llvm.org/) and friends for us. What do you think? > for the moment. Now we may start to build them. And yes using git > would be a good idea. > Stef > A lot of people are using git these days. So this must have something good. Norbert > > On Aug 31, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Michael Rueger wrote: > > > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > >> It means that we should then produce our own VMs I imagine. So what > >> are the plans there? > > > > Knowing that I'm touching flame bait here, but how is the general > > consensus on continuing to use VMMaker and Slang for generating VMs? > > Alternatives could be pure C code and/or code management using Git. > > > > Michael > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 12, 2008

[Pharo-project] Re: Building VM (Was: Re: Re: Hello everyone!)

by Andrew Tween

"Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:4a5f5f320809120530j75fde46m173d7cd4297caef1@mail.gmail.com... > 2008/9/12 Igor Stasenko > <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >> As always, things not working out of the box. >> >> - VM builds from unzipped VM sources OK >> - but for building with VMMaker generated sources, had to fix 'gnuify' >> file to make a clean build >> >> i dreaming to build vm straight from squeak, without horrid makefiles. >> I heard that Keith did a 'Bob' tool which can be used as a kind of >> make utility. >> But i think, to fully replace makefiles, it needs an OSProcessPlugin >> to be able to interact with OS/shell. >> > > Next step, tried to load freetype plugin.... > http://source.impara.de/freetype/Freetype-Plugin-JMM.53.mcz > http://source.impara.de/freetype/Freetype-Plugin-tween.51.mcz > > and guess what? YES! It can't be loaded! :) > > MC complains about following: > > This package depends on the following classes: > FT2Constants > > The FT2Constants is the pool dictionary used by plugin. But not > defined within package. Sorry. I forgot about that. The FT2Constants are in the main FreeTypePlus package - http://www.squeaksource.com/FreeTypePlus/FreeType-tween.435.mcz You should install that before installing Freetype-Plugin Cheers, Andy > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 12, 2008