August 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Bigger than Squeak?

by Adrian Lienhard

Ah, you are comparing compressed files! I think its more meaningful to compare uncompressed images. Adrian On Aug 20, 2008, at 15:19 , Damien Cassou wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: >> Pharo images should be smaller than 3.9.1 images since code was >> removed. The >> Pharo image 10061 that I build from the very beginning through the >> update >> stream is 14.2 MB after I did the following cleanup (can you try if >> it >> helps? I guess MC holds versions in its cache). Squeak 3.9.1 final >> is 15.6 >> MB. I don't understand how you get images that are smaller than 10MB? > > Are you including the sources file? My numbers come from > http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9 and > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299. > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Bigger than Squeak?

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > I did the following cleanup (can you try if it > helps? It does not change much the result. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Aug. 20, 2008

[Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest version

by Damien Cassou

I've just published a new pharo-dev version on: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2. It is based on version 10061. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Bigger than Squeak?

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Pharo images should be smaller than 3.9.1 images since code was removed. The > Pharo image 10061 that I build from the very beginning through the update > stream is 14.2 MB after I did the following cleanup (can you try if it > helps? I guess MC holds versions in its cache). Squeak 3.9.1 final is 15.6 > MB. I don't understand how you get images that are smaller than 10MB? Are you including the sources file? My numbers come from http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9 and https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] LargePositiveInteger new: 4 => crash

by Damien Cassou

I don't see why anyone would want to have uninitialized integers. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > This is due to the changes introduced by > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=114 > > Printing not initialized Large*Integers does not work anymore. I don't know > whether this is important because in practice you probably neven have such > instances. We can either implement the old behavior or remove the tests. > What do others think? > > Adrian > > > On Aug 20, 2008, at 14:08 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I checked and between 10050 and 10055 >> we introduce a bug >> >> LargePositiveInteger new: 4 >> >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Bigger than Squeak?

by Adrian Lienhard

Pharo images should be smaller than 3.9.1 images since code was removed. The Pharo image 10061 that I build from the very beginning through the update stream is 14.2 MB after I did the following cleanup (can you try if it helps? I guess MC holds versions in its cache). Squeak 3.9.1 final is 15.6 MB. I don't understand how you get images that are smaller than 10MB? Adrian RequiredSelectors initialize. ProvidedSelectors initialize. LocalSends initialize. Utilities cleanseOtherworldlySteppers. Smalltalk organization removeEmptyCategories. SystemBrowser removeObsolete. TheWorldMenu removeObsolete. AppRegistry removeObsolete. SystemNavigation default obsoleteBehaviors. MCFileBasedRepository flushAllCaches. MCDefinition clearInstances. Symbol compactSymbolTable. Set rehashAllSets. Smalltalk garbageCollect. On Aug 20, 2008, at 14:54 , Damien Cassou wrote: > Hi, > > according to stats I did about Squeak and Pharo > (http://damiencassou.dabbledb.com/publish/dev-imagesdownloads) Pharo > images are always bigger than Squeak images. This does not seem to be > related to the dev-images themselves because the latest base Pharo > image is bigger (8.79 MB) than Squeak 3.10.2 (7.1MB) and Squeak 3.9.1 > (also 7.1MB). > > Is there any method to call to clean the image? Would be interesting > to systematically clean the releases you build. > > Bye > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] LargePositiveInteger new: 4 => crash

by Adrian Lienhard

This is due to the changes introduced by http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=114 Printing not initialized Large*Integers does not work anymore. I don't know whether this is important because in practice you probably neven have such instances. We can either implement the old behavior or remove the tests. What do others think? Adrian On Aug 20, 2008, at 14:08 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi > > I checked and between 10050 and 10055 > we introduce a bug > > LargePositiveInteger new: 4 > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2008

[Pharo-project] Bigger than Squeak?

by Damien Cassou

Hi, according to stats I did about Squeak and Pharo (http://damiencassou.dabbledb.com/publish/dev-imagesdownloads) Pharo images are always bigger than Squeak images. This does not seem to be related to the dev-images themselves because the latest base Pharo image is bigger (8.79 MB) than Squeak 3.10.2 (7.1MB) and Squeak 3.9.1 (also 7.1MB). Is there any method to call to clean the image? Would be interesting to systematically clean the releases you build. Bye -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Aug. 20, 2008

[Pharo-project] LargePositiveInteger new: 4 => crash

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi I checked and between 10050 and 10055 we introduce a bug LargePositiveInteger new: 4 Stef

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New update :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

no problem. in the future we may have less time too. stef On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Hi Stef and Marcus, > > Nice to see your progress! Unfortunately, I currently don't have > much time to help... > I fixed one of the failing tests, though: > > > Name: SLICE-remove-copyHtml-al.7 > Author: al > Time: 20 August 2008, 11:02:40 am > UUID: 75e72e80-e429-4af6-93ff-e88480d7484d > Ancestors: > Dependencies: Kernel-al.184, Traits-al.237 > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=115 > > - Fixed #testFileOutTrait that showed that a still required method > was removed. > - Some more simplification of filout. > > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > On Aug 19, 2008, at 14:00 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> the new update 10061 worked well. Less etoy is always a good >> feeling, even if with some sadness because some >> ideas were good even if terribly implemented. >> >> Stef >> >> On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >>> >>> On 17.08.2008, at 17:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the new updates. >>>> There are a few tests that fail. Some are from fixes and cleanups >>>> we did (like the HTML removal); another is that there are again >>>> undeclared vars. I can fix the tests in the coming days. >>>> >>> >>> I think we killed all Undeclareds... will be in the next Update. >>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2008, at 18:33 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is a new update.... >>>>> removing a lot of duplicated code and some fixes. >>>>> >>>>> We also set the preference not to server mode. >>>> >>>> Thats good. I haven't noticed that this was turned on at some >>>> point (maybe inadvertently?). It should only be turned on for >>>> production images as it slows down the GUI. >>>> >>>> Adrian >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 20, 2008