August 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest version

by Bill Schwab

Stef, Thanks for the pointer. It could use some work though. One of my favorite mantras for GUI design is "never punish the user." I have been roundly scolded :) It seems I was confused over what would be used for search string, and was thus forced to wait a fairly long time for results having little to do with my intended search. If I may mix features a little, Dolphin sometimes populates prompters with either text on the clipboard, and perhaps current line/selected text, allowing one to accept/cancel an action w/o risk of assuming a search the user did not intend to do. Dolphin's find-methods-containing-text is also MUCH faster than Pharo's. It might just be the relative speeds of the two systems (I hope not), lack of important primitives, or perhaps code that can be greatly improved. The latter reminds me of DSDN, which I wrote for Dolphin, getting it to (reliably) CRAWL through searches across documentation, newsgroup archives, and the image itself. Ian Bartholomew promptly made it FLY by comparison (measured in orders of magnitude, as I recall). Hopefully a similar coding style could buy us a big boost here. Somewhat related, Dolphin's search for references to either the selected method or to text that can be entered in a prompter. The non-prompting search is available from a context menu in the method pane, so it tends to "just work." Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 08/20/08 5:51 PM >>> You bring the menu on the method pane then more.... then source code with .... it will scan all the methods for the string you pass On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:09 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Thank you. > > I have another super newbie question. I want to disable the warning > that SqueakV39.sources is not found when we load an image. I found > the preference and the message Preferences>>warnIfNoSourcesFile but > this is not called on startup (I've put a halt in it to check) > > I try to find a tool to search for the string "Squeak cannot find > the sources file named ..." to know which code popup the dialog. > > I want to disable this dialog and the "Enter your initials" one by > code in my squeakci script, as it prevent me from drinking my coffee > or taking a nap while all tests runs without any human intervention. > > Laurent > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] About milestone

by Bill Schwab

Bryce, That is an interesting thought, but a quick check in gedit and Pharo shows that there is a difference - gedit behaves much more as I would expect than does Pharo. That is with with both defaults under Ubuntu's keyboard options, and with a couple of tweaks that looked promising. There is a shift/numeric option that makes shift-control-arrow work though, so there still could be options that would explain everything, especially if you have something set that forces numbers. Which distribution do you use? Take your time; let me know when you are ready to fiddle with it. Thanks! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> bryce(a)kampjes.demon.co.uk 08/20/08 4:38 PM >>> Bill Schwab writes: > Bryce, > > Any and all efforts on the Linux VM are greatly appreciated. Better support for virtual keys would be great. I frequently use the numeric keypad with num-lock off, and the keys are largely ignored on Linux; the win32 VM works as expected. It is not my intention to dump work on you, but if you are hacking the vm anyway... Please let me know if I can help out with running down keycodes, etc. > Thanks, first let me finish the current task in Exupery, then once I've got that stabilised, I'll look at compiling the Freetype support. After that we'll see how much more time is available. I'm already maintaining an Linux VM for Exupery, so adding a few features for Pharo shouldn't be too much extra work. Bryce P.S. I just tested. Here the numeric keys work as numeric keys with the num-lock selected or not. So I suspect it's configurable via X without needing a VM modification. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] A note

by Bill Schwab

Stef, This sounds great. At the risk of being the self-appointed exception pedant, I agree that exceptions beat unexpected (even ambiguous) return values, but there should be a way to provide an error block to avoid the overhead. I will also confess to skepticism about default return values - IMHO, they defeat much of the purpose of the exception. However, in the case of the compiler, I can see the other side of the argument (translation, I won't squawk much if it ends up with default actions). Bill >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 8/20/2008 2:22 AM >>> Hi guys it occurred to me that this may be important to stress the following point. The point of pharo is not to go to a minimal kernel for the sake of it but to get nice abstractions into play. (of course we will remove etoy, remove the extra fat of morphic and reorganize package structures and more....). But let me take an example: with marcus we worked yesterday on making sure that the newcompiler can be compiled and installed as a second compiler so that compiler freaks can use this second compiler as a fallback when they hack the compiler. The point is that we can in the future remove the old compiler and replace it with the new one. What this example illustrates is that we are looking for the smallest compiler but one that is good and have a good interface (use of exception, instead of [^ nil]). Now ideally we would like to have a smallkernel PLUS a set of packages that composes a pharo-core distribution. What we do not want is to fall into the trap of - smaller better - and have packages that are not touched by refactoring. So we would like to have a smallkernel but not smaller plus the ability to load automatically packages so that when we refactor the system we can work on a coherent set of packages. If you have feedback please let us know. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest version

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

You bring the menu on the method pane then more.... then source code with .... it will scan all the methods for the string you pass On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:09 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Thank you. > > I have another super newbie question. I want to disable the warning > that SqueakV39.sources is not found when we load an image. I found > the preference and the message Preferences>>warnIfNoSourcesFile but > this is not called on startup (I've put a halt in it to check) > > I try to find a tool to search for the string "Squeak cannot find > the sources file named ..." to know which code popup the dialog. > > I want to disable this dialog and the "Enter your initials" one by > code in my squeakci script, as it prevent me from drinking my coffee > or taking a nap while all tests runs without any human intervention. > > Laurent > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest version

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I love them. Stef On Aug 20, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> I loved these reports! > > And why don't you like them anymore? > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest version

by Matthew Fulmer

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:09:32PM +0200, laurent laffont wrote: > Thank you. > > I have another super newbie question. I want to disable the warning that > SqueakV39.sources is not found when we load an image. I found the preference > and the message Preferences>>warnIfNoSourcesFile but this is not called on > startup (I've put a halt in it to check) > > I try to find a tool to search for the string "Squeak cannot find the > sources file named ..." to know which code popup the dialog. Disable the preference general > warnIfNoSourcesFile > I want to disable this dialog and the "Enter your initials" one by code in > my squeakci script, as it prevent me from drinking my coffee or taking a nap > while all tests runs without any human intervention. I think this is the code: Utilities authorInitials: 'test' -- Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] About milestone

by bryce＠kampjes.demon.co.uk

Bill Schwab writes: > Bryce, > > Any and all efforts on the Linux VM are greatly appreciated. Better support for virtual keys would be great. I frequently use the numeric keypad with num-lock off, and the keys are largely ignored on Linux; the win32 VM works as expected. It is not my intention to dump work on you, but if you are hacking the vm anyway... Please let me know if I can help out with running down keycodes, etc. > Thanks, first let me finish the current task in Exupery, then once I've got that stabilised, I'll look at compiling the Freetype support. After that we'll see how much more time is available. I'm already maintaining an Linux VM for Exupery, so adding a few features for Pharo shouldn't be too much extra work. Bryce P.S. I just tested. Here the numeric keys work as numeric keys with the num-lock selected or not. So I suspect it's configurable via X without needing a VM modification.

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest version

by laurent laffont

Thank you. I have another super newbie question. I want to disable the warning that SqueakV39.sources is not found when we load an image. I found the preference and the message Preferences>>warnIfNoSourcesFile but this is not called on startup (I've put a halt in it to check) I try to find a tool to search for the string "Squeak cannot find the sources file named ..." to know which code popup the dialog. I want to disable this dialog and the "Enter your initials" one by code in my squeakci script, as it prevent me from drinking my coffee or taking a nap while all tests runs without any human intervention. Laurent

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest version

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I loved these reports! And why don't you like them anymore? -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest version

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I loved these reports! Keep pushing. I will fix the regex package as soon as I have a moment. stef On Aug 20, 2008, at 5:03 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > test report: http://www.adhocmusic.net/squeak/pharo0.1-10061dev08.08.2.tests.html > passed: 3419 failures: 42 errors: 41 > > As for pharo-web & squeak images I had to delete: > MCPackageTest>>#testUnload {tests} > RxPaserTest>>#testMatchesInwW > > and also (this is new, regression ?): > MCFileInTest>>testStWriter > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > I've just published a new pharo-dev version on: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2. It is based on > version 10061. > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > -- > Laurent Laffont <l.laffont(a)temis-france.com> > > TEMIS > 48, Avenue Jean JaurÃ¨s > 74800 La Roche sur Foron > TÃ©l. : 04 50 97 49 91 > Fax : 04 50 97 49 94 > http://www.temis-france.com > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2008