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Re: [Pharo-project] Discussion summary and milestones

by Hilaire Fernandes

2008/8/30 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > - internally we will work on a core and set of package but publicly we > would like to avoid > to have a distribution that is not tested/used. I have started using pharo for iStoa.net, and I have a long list of dependency: Morph (I want to use Gary stuff also), Magma, Seaside. I can definitely give feed back Hilaire

Aug. 30, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Discussion summary and milestones

by Marcus Denker

On 30.08.2008, at 12:35, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi all > > we got an extremely positive ESUG. Thanks all of you for your great > software: > Thanks Gary it was great to see you. Now I would like to summarize > some of the discussions we got. > > For milestone1 > ----------------- > > - we will integrate the Polymorph package of gary. This means we may > try to remove some old morphic > and integrate really gary's work. Now this task could be continued > further in milestone 2. > > - gary could you send around (not only to adrian) the etoy removal > so that we do it? > > - Marcus plans to integrate the stack interpreter made by eliot > so that we will get fullclosures. > The stack interpreter and closures are two distinct things: closures are one things (some primitives, some compiler changes). This we should integrate ASAP (then we can port the newcompiler to emit this closure code). So Closures is in milestone 1, definitely. The stack-stuff is an interpreter that uses the C-Stack. This is not yet released (10-20% faster the current vm). It will be released soon, thus it likely can be in milestone 1, too. > > > For milestone 2 > ------------------- > - GTK binding Optional or replacing morphic? Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Aug. 30, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Discussion summary and milestones

by Marcus Denker

On 30.08.2008, at 13:05, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Hi Stef, > > Thanks for the list, its nice to see all the progress and plans! > I have a couple of questions: > >> - we will integrate the Polymorph package of gary. This means we >> may try to remove some old morphic >> and integrate really gary's work. Now this task could be continued >> further in milestone 2. > > Sounds good, but what is Polymorph? > The name used to be "look-enancements". Very impressive... (I guess everyone is using that since months... I did not know it) >> - gary could you send around (not only to adrian) the etoy removal >> so that we do it? > > If Gary sent it to me, I must have missed this mail. So please > resend it. > >> - We will integrate the freetype plugging (we will need some VM >> guys probably). > > This would be great, but I wonder whether we will really be able to > convince enough VM-skilled people to build and maintain the VMs? I > think we would need at least Windows, Linux, and Intel Mac (maybe > also PowerPC) versions that include the FT2Plugin and the modified > BitBlt Plugin. Maybe it would be easier to convince the guys > maintaining the Squeak VM to integrate it so that we do not have to > fork the VM as well. Yes, we need to find a solution. But for Squeak, I have the fear that it will be a discussion that ends in why it's better to not do anything at all. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Aug. 30, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Discussion summary and milestones

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Stef, Thanks for the list, its nice to see all the progress and plans! I have a couple of questions: > - we will integrate the Polymorph package of gary. This means we may > try to remove some old morphic > and integrate really gary's work. Now this task could be continued > further in milestone 2. Sounds good, but what is Polymorph? > - gary could you send around (not only to adrian) the etoy removal > so that we do it? If Gary sent it to me, I must have missed this mail. So please resend it. > - We will integrate the freetype plugging (we will need some VM guys > probably). This would be great, but I wonder whether we will really be able to convince enough VM-skilled people to build and maintain the VMs? I think we would need at least Windows, Linux, and Intel Mac (maybe also PowerPC) versions that include the FT2Plugin and the modified BitBlt Plugin. Maybe it would be easier to convince the guys maintaining the Squeak VM to integrate it so that we do not have to fork the VM as well. > - We want to have a one click image! yes, that's an important one! [....] Cheers, Adrian

Aug. 30, 2008

[Pharo-project] Discussion summary and milestones

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi all we got an extremely positive ESUG. Thanks all of you for your great software: Thanks Gary it was great to see you. Now I would like to summarize some of the discussions we got. For milestone1 ----------------- - we will integrate the Polymorph package of gary. This means we may try to remove some old morphic and integrate really gary's work. Now this task could be continued further in milestone 2. - gary could you send around (not only to adrian) the etoy removal so that we do it? - Marcus plans to integrate the stack interpreter made by eliot so that we will get fullclosures. - We will integrate the freetype plugging (we will need some VM guys probably). - We want to have a one click image! - internally we will work on a core and set of package but publicly we would like to avoid to have a distribution that is not tested/used. For the dev image we would like to only have a set of selected packages, so the idea is that damien will collect the key package that would go in the dev version. (which may be the one click image). We really want to have package without overrides. - We would like to push the idea of a package manifesto. For milestone 2 ------------------- - GTK binding - the newcompiler will replace the old one - marcus is really interested in COG and helping there. I will try to help and learn from mathieu. - popUp plague -> notification mechanism (check the OBNotification hierarchy). We need to push infrastructural work so that everything benefit of it. There are certainly point I forgot to mention but the future is full of new perspectives. Stef

Aug. 30, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: little fix for packageInfo printString

by Alexandre Bergel

done Alexandre On 29 Aug 2008, at 09:21, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Yes > > Stef > > On Aug 28, 2008, at 12:16 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> Shall I put it on PharoInBox? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 27 Aug 2008, at 14:42, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Date: August 27, 2008 2:41:48 PM CEDT >>>> To: stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr >>>> Subject: little fix for packageInfo printString >>>> >>>> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your >>>> message has >>>> been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are >>>> being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at >>>> pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> >>>> Date: August 27, 2008 2:41:16 PM CEDT >>>> To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open- >>>> source Smalltalk <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>>> Subject: little fix for packageInfo printString >>>> >>>> >>> <PackageInfoFix.1.cs> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 29, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: little fix for packageInfo printString

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes Stef On Aug 28, 2008, at 12:16 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Shall I put it on PharoInBox? > > Alexandre > > > On 27 Aug 2008, at 14:42, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Date: August 27, 2008 2:41:48 PM CEDT >>> To: stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr >>> Subject: little fix for packageInfo printString >>> >>> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message >>> has >>> been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are >>> being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at >>> pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr. >>> >>> >>> From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> >>> Date: August 27, 2008 2:41:16 PM CEDT >>> To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open- >>> source Smalltalk <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Subject: little fix for packageInfo printString >>> >>> >> <PackageInfoFix.1.cs> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 29, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Search archives??

by Bill Schwab

Alexandre, Understood, but my real goal was to search the Seaside archives where the analogous downloadable files are a bit less friendly (though appreciated and valuable). Gmane appears to do the job nicely; now I have to read what it found =:0 I added a page to the Wiki, so please add anything you find useful. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> alexandre(a)bergel.eu 08/28/08 3:18 AM >>> An archive is available on: http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/ Cheers, Alexandre On 28 Aug 2008, at 00:29, Bill Schwab wrote: > Hello all, > > Dumb question: is there a way to search archives of this list? > > Bill > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 28, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Search archives??

by Alexandre Bergel

An archive is available on: http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/ Cheers, Alexandre On 28 Aug 2008, at 00:29, Bill Schwab wrote: > Hello all, > > Dumb question: is there a way to search archives of this list? > > Bill > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 28, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Search archives??

by Bill Schwab

Mathias, With your pointer to gmane, I quickly found http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.devel which might be more friendly for a keyword search?? My real goal was to get to the archives of the Seaside list, which can be searched here: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.seaside Thanks!! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> matthias.berth(a)googlemail.com 08/27/08 11:54 PM >>> Gmane has it: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.devel and http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.sapphire.devel -- Matthias On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Hello all, > > Dumb question: is there a way to search archives of this list? > > Bill > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 28, 2008