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Re: [Pharo-project] New update :)

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Stef and Marcus, Nice to see your progress! Unfortunately, I currently don't have much time to help... I fixed one of the failing tests, though: Name: SLICE-remove-copyHtml-al.7 Author: al Time: 20 August 2008, 11:02:40 am UUID: 75e72e80-e429-4af6-93ff-e88480d7484d Ancestors: Dependencies: Kernel-al.184, Traits-al.237 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=115 - Fixed #testFileOutTrait that showed that a still required method was removed. - Some more simplification of filout. Cheers, Adrian On Aug 19, 2008, at 14:00 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > the new update 10061 worked well. Less etoy is always a good > feeling, even if with some sadness because some > ideas were good even if terribly implemented. > > Stef > > On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> On 17.08.2008, at 17:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the new updates. >>> There are a few tests that fail. Some are from fixes and cleanups >>> we did (like the HTML removal); another is that there are again >>> undeclared vars. I can fix the tests in the coming days. >>> >> >> I think we killed all Undeclareds... will be in the next Update. >> >>> On Aug 15, 2008, at 18:33 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> There is a new update.... >>>> removing a lot of duplicated code and some fixes. >>>> >>>> We also set the preference not to server mode. >>> >>> Thats good. I haven't noticed that this was turned on at some >>> point (maybe inadvertently?). It should only be turned on for >>> production images as it slows down the GUI. >>> >>> Adrian >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2008

[Pharo-project] A note

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys it occurred to me that this may be important to stress the following point. The point of pharo is not to go to a minimal kernel for the sake of it but to get nice abstractions into play. (of course we will remove etoy, remove the extra fat of morphic and reorganize package structures and more....). But let me take an example: with marcus we worked yesterday on making sure that the newcompiler can be compiled and installed as a second compiler so that compiler freaks can use this second compiler as a fallback when they hack the compiler. The point is that we can in the future remove the old compiler and replace it with the new one. What this example illustrates is that we are looking for the smallest compiler but one that is good and have a good interface (use of exception, instead of [^ nil]). Now ideally we would like to have a smallkernel PLUS a set of packages that composes a pharo-core distribution. What we do not want is to fall into the trap of - smaller better - and have packages that are not touched by refactoring. So we would like to have a smallkernel but not smaller plus the ability to load automatically packages so that when we refactor the system we can work on a coherent set of packages. If you have feedback please let us know. Stef

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] About a better look

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes we know. but for now we should do want can be done easily. The feel is always more difficult. Stef On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:38 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: > Stef, Adrian, > > Where reasonable to do so, I encourage thinking in terms of Pinesoft's > work, perhaps a new theme. If we can do better, that's ok too. While > the thought appears to be catching on, it is worth saying again: > Squeak's GUI woes are more often of feel than of look. > > Bill > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > >>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 8/18/2008 2:17:53 PM >>> > Adrian > > Marcus told me that you did a grey look. > Do you have that around? > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 20, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] About a better look

by Bill Schwab

Stef, Adrian, Where reasonable to do so, I encourage thinking in terms of Pinesoft's work, perhaps a new theme. If we can do better, that's ok too. While the thought appears to be catching on, it is worth saying again: Squeak's GUI woes are more often of feel than of look. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 8/18/2008 2:17:53 PM >>> Adrian Marcus told me that you did a grey look. Do you have that around? Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 19, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] About milestone

by Bill Schwab

Bryce, Any and all efforts on the Linux VM are greatly appreciated. Better support for virtual keys would be great. I frequently use the numeric keypad with num-lock off, and the keys are largely ignored on Linux; the win32 VM works as expected. It is not my intention to dump work on you, but if you are hacking the vm anyway... Please let me know if I can help out with running down keycodes, etc. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> bryce(a)kampjes.demon.co.uk 8/18/2008 4:37:55 PM >>> StÃ©phane Ducasse writes: > Hi all > > I would really like to have soon a first official release. > So what do we want to get in/out and before the release: > - better look for sure > - tests green. > > I think that this is important to release 0.1 > Since I would really like to use the NewCompiler by default and remove > the old one. I can try to build a Linux VM with true-type font support in the next few months. Bryce P.S. I'd like to see closure support, a couple of primitives should make the closure compiler Matheu and Marcus have been working on performant. I doubt that it needs to wait for an image format change. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 19, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] test report for pharo0.1-10050web08.08.1 image

by laurent laffont

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:07 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Laurent > > have a look at the class SystemNavigation. It contains a lot of code to > perform queries on the system. > > stef > > OK, Thanks Laurent

Aug. 19, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] test report for pharo0.1-10050web08.08.1 image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Laurent have a look at the class SystemNavigation. It contains a lot of code to perform queries on the system. stef On Aug 19, 2008, at 2:03 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Thank you \(^o^)/ > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:49 AM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't understand how Pharo-dev image is build: assert:equals: is > included > > in Pharo-dev image. > > > pharo-dev images are like squeak-dev images, they are built using > Universe. If you open the Universe browser, switch to the 'by status' > view and the 'Installed packages' status, you will see that > SUnit-improved is an installed package. Clicking on it reveals: > > " > Improved SUnit, allows categorization of tests for selective running, > per platform, per vm or image version. > > Includes: TestReporter a non gui test runner > > Category: Development > Provides: > SUnit-improved > > Maintained by: kph > Downloads from: http://www.squeaksource.com/Testing/SUnit-kph.108.mcz > " > > > I haven't found in Monticello how to find which package > > define a method. > > > In a code browser, if a method belongs to a package different that the > one from the class, its category has the information. > For example, the method String>>applyLanguageInfomation: belongs to > the package 'xml-parser' and not 'Collections-Strings', its category > is '*xml-parser'. > > > > So I've written a tool to parse all packages of Pharo / PhraroInbox > > repositories to find in which package assert:equals: is defined, I > cannot > > find one. > > > It's normal because this method does not belong to pharo. It belongs > to the package SUnit-Improved that pharo-dev only contains. > > > > Furthermore, how to know in wich repository a package is in ? In > cannot find > > in which repository SUnit-Enhancement package is (and it's not on > Pharo > > repository) > > > You can use the Universe browser. > > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > -- > Laurent Laffont <l.laffont(a)temis-france.com> > > TEMIS > 48, Avenue Jean JaurÃ¨s > 74800 La Roche sur Foron > TÃ©l. : 04 50 97 49 91 > Fax : 04 50 97 49 94 > http://www.temis-france.com > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 19, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] test report for pharo0.1-10050web08.08.1 image

by laurent laffont

Thank you \(^o^)/ On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:49 AM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't understand how Pharo-dev image is build: assert:equals: is > included > > in Pharo-dev image. > > > pharo-dev images are like squeak-dev images, they are built using > Universe. If you open the Universe browser, switch to the 'by status' > view and the 'Installed packages' status, you will see that > SUnit-improved is an installed package. Clicking on it reveals: > > " > Improved SUnit, allows categorization of tests for selective running, > per platform, per vm or image version. > > Includes: TestReporter a non gui test runner > > Category: Development > Provides: > SUnit-improved > > Maintained by: kph > Downloads from: http://www.squeaksource.com/Testing/SUnit-kph.108.mcz > " > > > I haven't found in Monticello how to find which package > > define a method. > > > In a code browser, if a method belongs to a package different that the > one from the class, its category has the information. > For example, the method String>>applyLanguageInfomation: belongs to > the package 'xml-parser' and not 'Collections-Strings', its category > is '*xml-parser'. > > > > So I've written a tool to parse all packages of Pharo / PhraroInbox > > repositories to find in which package assert:equals: is defined, I cannot > > find one. > > > It's normal because this method does not belong to pharo. It belongs > to the package SUnit-Improved that pharo-dev only contains. > > > > Furthermore, how to know in wich repository a package is in ? In cannot > find > > in which repository SUnit-Enhancement package is (and it's not on Pharo > > repository) > > > You can use the Universe browser. > > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- Laurent Laffont <l.laffont(a)temis-france.com> TEMIS 48, Avenue Jean JaurÃ¨s 74800 La Roche sur Foron TÃ©l. : 04 50 97 49 91 Fax : 04 50 97 49 94 http://www.temis-france.com

Aug. 19, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] test report for pharo0.1-10050web08.08.1 image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

It would be good that some motivated people check the SUnit improvements and let us know if we should merged that into SUnit or which parts should be part of the core SUnit. Stef On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:49 AM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't understand how Pharo-dev image is build: assert:equals: is >> included >> in Pharo-dev image. > > > pharo-dev images are like squeak-dev images, they are built using > Universe. If you open the Universe browser, switch to the 'by status' > view and the 'Installed packages' status, you will see that > SUnit-improved is an installed package. Clicking on it reveals: > > " > Improved SUnit, allows categorization of tests for selective running, > per platform, per vm or image version. > > Includes: TestReporter a non gui test runner > > Category: Development > Provides: > SUnit-improved > > Maintained by: kph > Downloads from: http://www.squeaksource.com/Testing/SUnit-kph.108.mcz > " > >> I haven't found in Monticello how to find which package >> define a method. > > > In a code browser, if a method belongs to a package different that the > one from the class, its category has the information. > For example, the method String>>applyLanguageInfomation: belongs to > the package 'xml-parser' and not 'Collections-Strings', its category > is '*xml-parser'. > > >> So I've written a tool to parse all packages of Pharo / PhraroInbox >> repositories to find in which package assert:equals: is defined, I >> cannot >> find one. > > > It's normal because this method does not belong to pharo. It belongs > to the package SUnit-Improved that pharo-dev only contains. > > >> Furthermore, how to know in wich repository a package is in ? In >> cannot find >> in which repository SUnit-Enhancement package is (and it's not on >> Pharo >> repository) > > > You can use the Universe browser. > > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 19, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New update :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

the new update 10061 worked well. Less etoy is always a good feeling, even if with some sadness because some ideas were good even if terribly implemented. Stef On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 17.08.2008, at 17:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> Thanks for the new updates. >> There are a few tests that fail. Some are from fixes and cleanups >> we did (like the HTML removal); another is that there are again >> undeclared vars. I can fix the tests in the coming days. >> > > I think we killed all Undeclareds... will be in the next Update. > >> On Aug 15, 2008, at 18:33 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> There is a new update.... >>> removing a lot of duplicated code and some fixes. >>> >>> We also set the preference not to server mode. >> >> Thats good. I haven't noticed that this was turned on at some point >> (maybe inadvertently?). It should only be turned on for production >> images as it slows down the GUI. >> >> Adrian >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 19, 2008