July 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] website design proposal

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

pharo-project.org is available and we have the design so now .... we should get cmsbox :) Stef On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > Love it > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Samuel MORELLO > <samuel.morello(a)ouvanous.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Please find enclosed a proposal for the pharo website and a new >> version of >> the logo. >> The website proposal can seems strange at first but i think it can >> be cool >> to have something a little bit different and colored like this. >> >> I have took for this example the text from IOlanguage because i >> find this >> site very good for the organisation and the clarity. >> There are things to change but would like to have your opinion >> >> Hope you will like it >> >> >> regards, >> >> Samuel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> > > > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] compiler fixing _ -> :=

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>>>> Hmmm... I would vote against magic. Just changing the test in the >>>> image (the changes file) > is not enough: then people commit this, then there is a class-side > initialize among those > methods that's broken ---> unloadable package. > > I would say as soon as there is a process that incorporated small > fixes fast, it will be easy > to just step-by-step fix all cases of _ No dream marcus. There is one guy merging and applying stuff. So what I can do is to add a fixunderscore call automatically to dirty packages. Stef

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Pharo Smalltalk

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We agree. There is no bad etoy good seaside. I did again demo of etoys to kids at RMLL :) >>>> About etoys: It's not that I don't like the idea. I continue to >>>> be a big fan > of the dynabook idea. But etoys was not well done from an > implementation standpoint > (impossible to maintain). In addition, those working on squeakland > never where interested > in working together with anyone. >

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] website design proposal

by Damien Cassou

Love it On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Samuel MORELLO <samuel.morello(a)ouvanous.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Please find enclosed a proposal for the pharo website and a new version of > the logo. > The website proposal can seems strange at first but i think it can be cool > to have something a little bit different and colored like this. > > I have took for this example the text from IOlanguage because i find this > site very good for the organisation and the clarity. > There are things to change but would like to have your opinion > > Hope you will like it > > > regards, > > Samuel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] compiler fixing _ -> :=

by Marcus Denker

On 08.07.2008, at 09:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> marcus math >>> >>> could'nt you fix the compiler to read := _ and generate := ? >> >> The newcompiler accepts _ and :=. The _ should be removed (but a >> preference >> might be good to be able to load old code). >> >> I will put that on the issue tracker. >> >> (this is here: http://code.google.com/p/squeaknewcompiler/issues/ >> list) >> >> What do you mean with "generate"? When pretty-printing? > > The idea was can be absorb _ (and avoid to have to manually patch > the code - even by invoking > FixUnderscore) > > I mean > read in _ or := > but changing the text to have only have := > so may be pretty printing is required. May be what I ask is too > complex > and we could solve that by invoking systematically FixUnderscore > Hmmm... I would vote against magic. Just changing the test in the image (the changes file) is not enough: then people commit this, then there is a class-side initialize among those methods that's broken ---> unloadable package. I would say as soon as there is a process that incorporated small fixes fast, it will be easy to just step-by-step fix all cases of _ Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Pharo Smalltalk

by Marcus Denker

On 05.07.2008, at 08:49, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> 3.9 was the best release I've used yet. I'm glad someone is >>> thinking about >> a *serious* open source Smalltalk instead of arguing about how they >> miss >> that stupid mouse or whining about eToys. > > ******THANKS******* > you cannot imagine how it is a good feeling to hear that. > indeed. About etoys: It's not that I don't like the idea. I continue to be a big fan of the dynabook idea. But etoys was not well done from an implementation standpoint (impossible to maintain). In addition, those working on squeakland never where interested in working together with anyone. >>> >> You did make a better Squeak, and I look forward to seeing Pharo >> burn the >> diskpacks a bit and throw out all the crap bogging Squeak down. >> Keep up the >> good work, some of us do appreciate it. > > Thanks. We will try our best. > Marcus do you hear that :) > because marcus was really burnt by squeak :( Yes. And only very slowly recovering. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] compiler fixing _ -> :=

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> marcus math >> >> could'nt you fix the compiler to read := _ and generate := ? > > The newcompiler accepts _ and :=. The _ should be removed (but a > preference > might be good to be able to load old code). > > I will put that on the issue tracker. > > (this is here: http://code.google.com/p/squeaknewcompiler/issues/list) > > What do you mean with "generate"? When pretty-printing? The idea was can be absorb _ (and avoid to have to manually patch the code - even by invoking FixUnderscore) I mean read in _ or := but changing the text to have only have := so may be pretty printing is required. May be what I ask is too complex and we could solve that by invoking systematically FixUnderscore Stef

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] compiler fixing _ -> :=

by Marcus Denker

On 08.07.2008, at 09:19, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > marcus math > > could'nt you fix the compiler to read := _ and generate := ? The newcompiler accepts _ and :=. The _ should be removed (but a preference might be good to be able to load old code). I will put that on the issue tracker. (this is here: http://code.google.com/p/squeaknewcompiler/issues/list) What do you mean with "generate"? When pretty-printing? -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] pharo website proposal

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes! We can use the one of pharo http://gforge.inria.fr/scm/?group_id=1299 svn checkout --username login https://scm.gforge.inria.fr/svn/pharo On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Samuel MORELLO wrote: >> No soucy. >> I will send everythings in PDF/Illustrator format so it can be >> resize easily. >> I also want to create a keynote template. > > Could be helpful to set up a subversion repository for the artwork > etc. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 8, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] pharo website proposal

by Michael Rueger

Samuel MORELLO wrote: > No soucy. > I will send everythings in PDF/Illustrator format so it can be resize > easily. > I also want to create a keynote template. Could be helpful to set up a subversion repository for the artwork etc. Michael

July 8, 2008