June 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN][Pharo-dev] First release

by Damien Cassou

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)doesnotunderstand.org> wrote: > 2008/6/1 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> I hope to have a server soon for the universe >>>> >>>> I think it will be difficult to maintain a universe server (each time >>>> you update a package on the squeak universe, you will have to do it >>>> again for pharo). >> >> A Universe is a set of packages. You want another set. If I change the >> Squeak set, the Pharo set won't be updated. This has some advantages >> (we control what appears in our universe), but has the big >> disadvantage of duplicating my effort to update the Squeak Universe. > > I guess Squeak Universe manage versions ? Why not consider Pharo as a > specific Squeak version ? I think it does not change anything. Once you create a universe (from scratch or from another one), I don't think updates in one goes to the other. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 1, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: [Sapphire-devl] sapphire to pharo :)

by Adrian Lienhard

On May 31, 2008, at 22:17 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Done. > Can you check? Looks good! I got beyond the problematic script. But I could not load to the latest package because the SqueakSource server went down in the meantime :(. Will check again later. Adrian > > > I will redo a full upgrade in a clean package cache. > > Stef > > On May 31, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> Hi Stef, >> >> Today I tried again to load Pharo starting from a fresh 3.9.1 image >> but I got the same error when loading "10015-Sap- >> FixingInvisibleInTheRest..." (see my mail in this thread from May >> 16). >> >> I had a closer look and the problem is that script106 tries to load >> Protocols-sd.13.mcz, which does not exist in the repository. >> I guess the update worked for you because this file was in your >> local cache. Can you copy this package to the repository? >> >> Adrian > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 1, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN][Pharo-dev] First release

by Serge Stinckwich

2008/6/1 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: >>>> I hope to have a server soon for the universe >>> >>> I think it will be difficult to maintain a universe server (each time >>> you update a package on the squeak universe, you will have to do it >>> again for pharo). > > A Universe is a set of packages. You want another set. If I change the > Squeak set, the Pharo set won't be updated. This has some advantages > (we control what appears in our universe), but has the big > disadvantage of duplicating my effort to update the Squeak Universe. I guess Squeak Universe manage versions ? Why not consider Pharo as a specific Squeak version ? -- Serge Stinckwich http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/

June 1, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN][Pharo-dev] First release

by Damien Pollet

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A Universe is a set of packages. You want another set. If I change the > Squeak set, the Pharo set won't be updated. This has some advantages > (we control what appears in our universe), but has the big > disadvantage of duplicating my effort to update the Squeak Universe. What about Keith's Sake packages? Since they are regular smalltalk method they can be managed using MC instead of an ad-hoc server, and maybe the common parts can be modularized using inheritance/delegation... -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

June 1, 2008

[Pharo-project] Resent messages?

by Bill Schwab

Hello all, Did some messages get posted more than once? It beats losing them, but leaves me wondering whether it is my goofy email server or something about the list conversion. FWIW. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029

June 1, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Replacing 'ReadStream on smth:' by 'smth readStream'

by Bill Schwab

Stef, My email server crashed yesterday and was out of action for several hours. From emails I found this morning, it looks like Damien and I will cook up a plan on the Wiki. With luck, we will be able to get the RB to do the tedious work, and also leave a simple defined procedure for converting "old" code that we did not have loaded during the transformation. Transformed code should work as it always did; new code will be able to benefit from consistent semantics and exception handling. There will also be silently truncating methods for the situations (and they indeed exist) that call for them. More to come. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 05/31/08 4:22 PM >>> On May 30, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: > Stef, > > Whether or not I agree depends on what you mean. While I think I > see where Damien is going, my read is that #on: is actually > negotiable, given that we should be able to either fix (or simply > replace and than alias) ReadStream - two different ways of solving > the same problem. But if you concerned about breaking some things > that Damien and I are committed to fixing as part of the change, > then I submit that we will be helpless when we move from the > relatively calm world of streams to the chaos of morphic. You lost me. :) > Which part bothers you? None :) > The plan is to rennovate (sometimes messy) and *then* slowly evolve > the resulting stable system, right? The plan is to move but be careful. This is why I would like you guys to tell us what you want to do (or are doing) so that we can document the changes and everybody can participate and help also fixing if necessary. I just want more organized communication when we have a "big" change. No more. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 1, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] new to pharo

by Alain Plantec

On Saturday 31 May 2008 14:24:05 you wrote: > Alain, > > You have COMPLETELY missed the focus of my response; thanks for > objecting so we can clarify it. My point was that it is a great start > on explaining something that is indeed mysterious to many (including > myself!), and deserves to be built up into a Wiki page for future > reference vs. "lost" in an archived list. Excuse me, it seems that I have to improve my english alain > > Please continue questioning the experts, and document what they tell > you. We will have it right when the answer is a link to a page complete > with a FAQ. > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >

June 1, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN][Pharo-dev] First release

by Damien Cassou

>>> I hope to have a server soon for the universe >> >> I think it will be difficult to maintain a universe server (each time >> you update a package on the squeak universe, you will have to do it >> again for pharo). A Universe is a set of packages. You want another set. If I change the Squeak set, the Pharo set won't be updated. This has some advantages (we control what appears in our universe), but has the big disadvantage of duplicating my effort to update the Squeak Universe. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 1, 2008