June 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] New release

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:44 PM, Victor Rodriguez wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> yes my mistake >> this interface is just crap. > > Are you referring to the INRIA Pharo project page? If so, why don't > we move the files to google code? Is is politically really important that we use the inria infrastructure. It will help us building Smalltalk presence inside INRIA. So at then end we will not use the forge but only the file because we need these counters at that place :) > I will volunteer again and move all the existing files over. (As a > matter of fact, I had been thinking of moving the files then proposing > the change, but I just haven't had a chance to do it.) Please don't there are issues more complex under the surface but this is not linked with pharo by itself. > > > Victor. > > >> On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: >> >>> >>> Ah, I thought it *was* a pharo-dev image -- it was listed under >>> "pharo-dev" on the downloads page. >>> >>> http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 >>> >>> - on >>> >>> On Jun 11, 2008, at 11:12, Damien Cassou wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Great! >>>>> >>>>> Just noticed two things: >>>>> >>>>> - Test Runner is missing from the Tools flap -- shouldn't it be >>>>> there? >>>> >>>> >>>> I think Pharo should not care about such things. Just use pharo- >>>> dev if >>>> you want a prepared pharo image for developers. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Cassou >>>> Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good >>>> luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Strange bug in TraitsTest

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

No may be this is related with the hash fixes of marcus. I will have to check :) Thanks for reporting that. Can you add that in a bug tracking system? Which one do we use? I will ask samuel if he has some ideas for the logo because we should move on for the infrastructure of the web site (I'm sorry about the current state of affair). On Jun 11, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > Hmmm, it has something to do with the name pharo :) I checked > the available images. Sapphire 10018 doesn't show up this. But > Pharo 10021 does. And in 10021 there is one additional test in > ClassTest > > testHaSharedPools > > Author seems to be Stephane. Do you know anything which have > introduced this? > > Norbert > > > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 19:24 +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> If you open a test runner and select only KernelTests-ClassTest and >> TraitsTests-TraitsTestCase you may find a failure >> >> ClassTest>>testRootsOfTheWorld >> >> But I don't understand fully why it appears. I had once >> the chance to get a debugger on the failure (which does >> usually not work on this failure) and so I know that the >> rootsOfTheWorld (which is usually 3) is 6 in size containing >> additionally classes C3 C4 and C6. The ones which are created >> by TraitsTestCase (see my last mail "Bug for harvest"). >> >> They all have a superclass of nil but they aren't included >> in the SystemNavigation. (conditions for being included in >> the rootsOfTheWorld) >> >> If you press "Run selected" again the same error occurrs >> while pressing "Run failures" gives you all green (ok, it >> is this way in my case) >> >> And I can't reproduce the same in a 3.10 image. >> >> It seems that there is a timing problem involved. Selecting >> only the two test cases I get the failure every time (or nearly). >> Selecting all tests it appears only at random. >> >> Any hints? >> >> Norbert >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Bug for harvesting

by Victor Rodriguez

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > Hi, > > I opened a bug a few minutes ago which you may find interesting > for harvest. > > http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7090 I have filed this as Issue 13. I left the state as NEW. Saludos, Victor. > Norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] New release

by Victor Rodriguez

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > yes my mistake > this interface is just crap. Are you referring to the INRIA Pharo project page? If so, why don't we move the files to google code? I will volunteer again and move all the existing files over. (As a matter of fact, I had been thinking of moving the files then proposing the change, but I just haven't had a chance to do it.) Victor. > On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > >> >> Ah, I thought it *was* a pharo-dev image -- it was listed under >> "pharo-dev" on the downloads page. >> >> http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 >> >> - on >> >> On Jun 11, 2008, at 11:12, Damien Cassou wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Great! >>>> >>>> Just noticed two things: >>>> >>>> - Test Runner is missing from the Tools flap -- shouldn't it be there? >>> >>> >>> I think Pharo should not care about such things. Just use pharo-dev if >>> you want a prepared pharo image for developers. >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good >>> luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Strange bug in TraitsTest

by Norbert Hartl

Hmmm, it has something to do with the name pharo :) I checked the available images. Sapphire 10018 doesn't show up this. But Pharo 10021 does. And in 10021 there is one additional test in ClassTest testHaSharedPools Author seems to be Stephane. Do you know anything which have introduced this? Norbert On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 19:24 +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: > If you open a test runner and select only KernelTests-ClassTest and > TraitsTests-TraitsTestCase you may find a failure > > ClassTest>>testRootsOfTheWorld > > But I don't understand fully why it appears. I had once > the chance to get a debugger on the failure (which does > usually not work on this failure) and so I know that the > rootsOfTheWorld (which is usually 3) is 6 in size containing > additionally classes C3 C4 and C6. The ones which are created > by TraitsTestCase (see my last mail "Bug for harvest"). > > They all have a superclass of nil but they aren't included > in the SystemNavigation. (conditions for being included in > the rootsOfTheWorld) > > If you press "Run selected" again the same error occurrs > while pressing "Run failures" gives you all green (ok, it > is this way in my case) > > And I can't reproduce the same in a 3.10 image. > > It seems that there is a timing problem involved. Selecting > only the two test cases I get the failure every time (or nearly). > Selecting all tests it appears only at random. > > Any hints? > > Norbert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 11, 2008

[Pharo-project] Strange bug in TraitsTest

by Norbert Hartl

If you open a test runner and select only KernelTests-ClassTest and TraitsTests-TraitsTestCase you may find a failure ClassTest>>testRootsOfTheWorld But I don't understand fully why it appears. I had once the chance to get a debugger on the failure (which does usually not work on this failure) and so I know that the rootsOfTheWorld (which is usually 3) is 6 in size containing additionally classes C3 C4 and C6. The ones which are created by TraitsTestCase (see my last mail "Bug for harvest"). They all have a superclass of nil but they aren't included in the SystemNavigation. (conditions for being included in the rootsOfTheWorld) If you press "Run selected" again the same error occurrs while pressing "Run failures" gives you all green (ok, it is this way in my case) And I can't reproduce the same in a 3.10 image. It seems that there is a timing problem involved. Selecting only the two test cases I get the failure every time (or nearly). Selecting all tests it appears only at random. Any hints? Norbert

June 11, 2008

[Pharo-project] Bug for harvesting

by Norbert Hartl

Hi, I opened a bug a few minutes ago which you may find interesting for harvest. http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7090 Norbert

June 11, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Behaviour>>hash is missing!

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes I have the impression that this would be a good things to do because they do not have add that much important information. On Jun 11, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > OK, so that is why all these silly testHash tests are broken. They > depend on Behaviour>>#hash to return a specific hash value. I > suggest trashing them as the tests are not robust. > > - on > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> IIRC Marcus introduced Behavior>>hash in 3.9 and later realized >> that this is not a good idea. The reason is that names of behaviors >> are not constant because when a class is deleted its name is >> changed to AnAbsolete..., which makes the name not suitable for >> hashing. >> >> Looking through ScriptLoader, #update10020 is where Behavior>>hash >> is removed again. Unfortunately the changes log is a bit unspecific >> as it mentions only: "changes from Reflectivity"... >> >> Cheers, >> Adrian >> >> On Jun 10, 2008, at 22:54 , Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: >> >>> >>> What was his fix? >>> >>> How can I tell what was changed? >>> >>> Is Behaviour>>hash missing in your image too? I don't trust >>> anything anymore. >>> >>> - on >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:13 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> Marcus should have a look since this is fix he reverted. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> These tests are fine in Squeak 3.9 too. >>>>> >>>>> Further investigation reveals that Behaviour>>hash is missing in >>>>> Pharo! >>>>> >>>>> So hash reverts to Object>>hash, which sends Object>>identityHash. >>>>> >>>>> In Pharo: >>>>> >>>>> Array hash --> 2455 >>>>> Object identityHash --> 2274 >>>>> >>>>> In Squeak: >>>>> >>>>> Array hash --> 259007228 >>>>> Object identityHash --> 2274 >>>>> >>>>> Looks like someone removed >>>>> >>>>> Behaviour>>hash >>>>> ^ self name hash >>>>> >>>>> - on >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:43 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Excellent! >>>>>> may be this is the hash of class that changed. Marcus >>>>>> retrochanged the hash behavior that we harvested in 3.9. >>>>>> And may be in 3.10 they changed class hash too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I do not know if in 3.9 these tests were broken. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, I investigated more deeply. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It appears that SequenceableCollection>>hash behaves >>>>>>> differently in Pharo and Squeak 3.10. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Squeak: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #(1) hash --> 22516953 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pharo: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #(1) hash --> 61541560 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since DateAndTime>>hash is ultimately implemented in terms of >>>>>>> Array>>hash (inherited from SequenceableCollection), this test >>>>>>> fails. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not yet sure why these two behave differently ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Already the first line (self species hash) is different: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Squeak: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Array hash --> 259007228 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pharo: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Array hash --> 2455 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 6:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We checked with lukas what is strange is that the same tests >>>>>>>> are green in 3.10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have posted some patches to the inbox to make the Kernel >>>>>>>>> Number tests run, and in the Issues page I propose to delete >>>>>>>>> a bunch of nonsensical testHash tests. With these changes >>>>>>>>> the Kernel tests should all be green. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - on >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Broken tests

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

excellent! Stef On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > Just for phun, I ran all the tests in the Pharo image. There are > only 13 failures, 2 expected failures, and no errors! > > I have started a page to give an overview: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/BrokenTests > > Please update this page with an appropriate comment if you are > working on any of these (or if you fix them). > > - on > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] New pharo-dev based on latest release

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks a lot. I cleaned my mess. Stef On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > I've just published a new pharo-dev based on 10036: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/4978/pharo0.1-10036dev08.06.2.zip > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2008