June 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: Bug in object finalization?]

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Norbert, We do this kind of scripts in the ScriptLoader. Just let me know when you published your slice and I will prepare the ScriptLoader update script which Stef can then push into the update stream. Adrian On Jun 18, 2008, at 19:30 , Norbert Hartl wrote: > So, > > now I'm all for fixing it and ressurect the test case. > I'll upload something to PharoInbox. Afterwards it needs > to be reinitialized. What is the preferred way of having > doits in the update stream? > > Anyway I uploaded SLICE-WeakRegistryAndFinalizerTestFix > to PharoInbox. > > afterwards a > > WeakRegistry default initialize: WeakRegistry default size > > will be necessary. > > Norbert > > From: Andreas Raab <andreas.raab(a)gmx.de> > Date: June 18, 2008 7:02:11 PM GMT+02:00 > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > Subject: [squeak-dev] Re: Bug in object finalization? > Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > > Norbert Hartl wrote: >> On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 09:22 -0700, Andreas Raab wrote: >>> Norbert Hartl wrote: >>>> There was a test in 3.9 testing this (it failed). In 3.10 >>>> the test got removed but I think it is a bug. >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>> The test itself is buggy (see http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6347) >>> but once you fix the test it illustrates a problem in >>> WeakRegistry which needs to use a WeakIdentityKeyDictionary >>> instead of a WeakKeyDictionary. >>> >> Ok, what I said. Do you see an harmful side effects by exchanging >> the dictionary? > > No - we've fixed this a long time ago in our code base. > > Cheers, > - Andreas > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 18, 2008

[Pharo-project] [Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: Bug in object finalization?]

by Norbert Hartl

So, now I'm all for fixing it and ressurect the test case. I'll upload something to PharoInbox. Afterwards it needs to be reinitialized. What is the preferred way of having doits in the update stream? Anyway I uploaded SLICE-WeakRegistryAndFinalizerTestFix to PharoInbox. afterwards a WeakRegistry default initialize: WeakRegistry default size will be necessary. Norbert

June 18, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Logos

by Norbert Hartl

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 12:52 -0400, Victor Rodriguez wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org> wrote: > > Victor Rodriguez wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> ... > >>> > >>> Maybe make the white stripes thinner than the dark ones ? > >>> Also without the circle it misses some kind of base, maybe a wave that > >>> would suggest the curvature of the circle if it were there ? > >>> > >>> The red eye looks a little Terminator-esque, somewhat menacing :-) > >> > >> I think you mean Tolkien-esque, the eye of Sauron anyone? :-) > > > > Yes, that was the first thing I noticed. Maybe making it more a > > yellow/orange tone would help? > > I thought about yellow too, but didn't say anything since yellow might > become hard to see in lgiht backgrounds. > Which is exactly as it is. A light background could be called day light. As the light is hard to see when it is day they switch it off :) That is the main problem I think. In the day light you can see the lighthouse building but no light. At night there is only a shape of a building but light. So it is difficult to show both at the same time. Norbert > Indeed, I shouldn't say anything at all, since I don't really know > about graphical design. :-) Which is why I really appreciate Samuel > Morello's work, thanks! > > Victor. > > > Michael > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 18, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Logos

by Victor Rodriguez

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org> wrote: > Victor Rodriguez wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> ... >>> >>> Maybe make the white stripes thinner than the dark ones ? >>> Also without the circle it misses some kind of base, maybe a wave that >>> would suggest the curvature of the circle if it were there ? >>> >>> The red eye looks a little Terminator-esque, somewhat menacing :-) >> >> I think you mean Tolkien-esque, the eye of Sauron anyone? :-) > > Yes, that was the first thing I noticed. Maybe making it more a > yellow/orange tone would help? I thought about yellow too, but didn't say anything since yellow might become hard to see in lgiht backgrounds. Indeed, I shouldn't say anything at all, since I don't really know about graphical design. :-) Which is why I really appreciate Samuel Morello's work, thanks! Victor. > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 18, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Logos

by Michael Rueger

Victor Rodriguez wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ... >> Maybe make the white stripes thinner than the dark ones ? >> Also without the circle it misses some kind of base, maybe a wave that >> would suggest the curvature of the circle if it were there ? >> >> The red eye looks a little Terminator-esque, somewhat menacing :-) > > I think you mean Tolkien-esque, the eye of Sauron anyone? :-) Yes, that was the first thing I noticed. Maybe making it more a yellow/orange tone would help? Michael

June 18, 2008

[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] to:do: optimization is wrong when the block modifies the limit

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Begin forwarded message: > From: nicolas cellier <ncellier(a)ifrance.com> > Date: June 13, 2008 3:28:25 AM CEDT > To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > Subject: [squeak-dev] to:do: optimization is wrong when the block > modifies the limit > Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > While browsing #to:do: optimization implementation i noticed this: > > | n | > n := 2. > 1 to: n do: [:i | (n := n+1)>10 ifTrue: [self halt: 'Should I get > here?']]. > ^n > > When you think in term of message send, well NO, YOU SHOULD NOT GET > HERE. > > Optimization is such a subtle thing that: > > | n | > 1 to: (n := 2) do: [:i | n := n+1. n>10 ifTrue: [self halt: 'You > won''t get there']]. > ^n > > Ha Ha, it's really fun! > Of course, if one corrects this bug, there is a pending Decompiler > issue: > > testDecompileToDoWithMovingLimit > | n i | > n := 4. > i := 1. > [i <= n] whileTrue: [ > n := n - 1. > i := i + 1]. > > would decompile into: > | n | > n := 4. > 1 > to: n > do: [:i | n := n - 1] > > This is worth a http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7093 > Ah i wonder what would a NewCompiler do to to:do: > > Nicolas > > >

June 18, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Logos

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I'm eager to see that. I like the thrash style of geeky surfers :) Stef On Jun 18, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Samuel MORELLO wrote: > Hi Damien, > > I have made some tests with the O at the same size , and it was not > conclusive. > The circle is finer than the text weight and at the same size, it > loose consistency. > > Regarding the mail of Victor, i will to try to simplify the top of the > lighthouse and give a less frightening look to the light ;-) > > Samuel > > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com > > wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> >> wrote: >>> I suggest to show the logo to people that do not know the name >>> already. Will >>> they not read it as "Phar" without "o"? I fear its not obvious >>> that the >>> large circle is part of the name. >> >> I think it could be better to make the $o the same size of the text. >> >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good >> luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Samuel > +33 (0)6 20 65 22 99 > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 18, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Logos

by Samuel MORELLO

Hi Damien, I have made some tests with the O at the same size , and it was not conclusive. The circle is finer than the text weight and at the same size, it loose consistency. Regarding the mail of Victor, i will to try to simplify the top of the lighthouse and give a less frightening look to the light ;-) Samuel On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: >> I suggest to show the logo to people that do not know the name already. Will >> they not read it as "Phar" without "o"? I fear its not obvious that the >> large circle is part of the name. > > I think it could be better to make the $o the same size of the text. > > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Samuel +33 (0)6 20 65 22 99

June 18, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Logos

by Victor Rodriguez

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> wrote: ... > > Maybe make the white stripes thinner than the dark ones ? > Also without the circle it misses some kind of base, maybe a wave that > would suggest the curvature of the circle if it were there ? > > The red eye looks a little Terminator-esque, somewhat menacing :-) I think you mean Tolkien-esque, the eye of Sauron anyone? :-) I think the logos are looking great, and I have zero artistic talent, but I will venture a suggestion nonetheless: what about simplifying the top of the lighthouse? If the shape was simpler (perhaps like an "n") and the light bigger, then perhaps the logo would be more distinct even at small sizes. Best Regards, Victor Rodriguez. >> 2008/6/18 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: Samuel MORELLO <samuel.morello(a)ouvanous.com> >>>> Date: June 18, 2008 10:55:19 AM CEDT >>>> To: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>>> Subject: Re: [OUVANOUS] Re: Nouvelle version >>>> >>>> les voici ;-) >>>> >>>> Le 18 juin 08 Ã 10:39, StÃ©phane DUCASSE a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>>> --- Reply ABOVE THIS LINE to post a comment to the project --- >>>>> >>>>> Company: Smalltalk >>>>> Project: Pharo >>>>> Link: https://ouvanous.projectpath.com/C18821220 >>>>> >>>>> StÃ©phane DUCASSE said: >>>>> >>>>> ou cela :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> .......................................................................... >>>>> >>>>> Read the original message, view this comment, and download attachments >>>>> at: >>>>> https://ouvanous.projectpath.com/C18821220 >>>>> >>>>> You can always check the Overview for the latest project activity: >>>>> https://ouvanous.projectpath.com/projects/1873269/project/log >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] >> http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Damien Pollet > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

June 18, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Logos

by Damien Pollet

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)doesnotunderstand.org> wrote: > When the icon is small, the lighthouse is not easily recognizable. Maybe make the white stripes thinner than the dark ones ? Also without the circle it misses some kind of base, maybe a wave that would suggest the curvature of the circle if it were there ? The red eye looks a little Terminator-esque, somewhat menacing :-) > 2008/6/18 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Samuel MORELLO <samuel.morello(a)ouvanous.com> >>> Date: June 18, 2008 10:55:19 AM CEDT >>> To: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>> Subject: Re: [OUVANOUS] Re: Nouvelle version >>> >>> les voici ;-) >>> >>> Le 18 juin 08 Ã 10:39, StÃ©phane DUCASSE a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> --- Reply ABOVE THIS LINE to post a comment to the project --- >>>> >>>> Company: Smalltalk >>>> Project: Pharo >>>> Link: https://ouvanous.projectpath.com/C18821220 >>>> >>>> StÃ©phane DUCASSE said: >>>> >>>> ou cela :) >>>> >>>> >>>> .......................................................................... >>>> >>>> Read the original message, view this comment, and download attachments >>>> at: >>>> https://ouvanous.projectpath.com/C18821220 >>>> >>>> You can always check the Overview for the latest project activity: >>>> https://ouvanous.projectpath.com/projects/1873269/project/log >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] > http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

June 18, 2008