December 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Impressed, overwhelmed, and a little confused

by Bill Schwab

Damien, I have a quick question for you as a scripting fan: can you recommend a good example to follow? It would not have to be much; I am simply trying to figure out how I am going to manage code. It could be as simple as "look at the build Pharo from scratch" link - whatever you think gives a good idea of how you prefer to work. Others are welcome to weigh in similarly. I do not promise to follow advice, but I would certainly take a look. Thanks, Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> damien.cassou(a)gmail.com 12/04/08 5:21 AM >>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Keith Hodges <keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > 1. Searching Universes is a pain I do not (completely) agree. Using the OB-based browser, things are way better. You can search by category (which was already possible without), by name or by status (installed, upgradable, selected). > 5. Finding what depends upon what is a pain, you have to manually search This is not true. Open the browser, select your package and read the description. > 9. Universes is/was non-trivial to discard from the image if you want to > use it to build and discard it later. I never read anything about that before. What is the problem exactly? I agree with the other critics and would prefer to use Sake/Packages. However, I have several problems with Sake/Packages as well: 1. There is no state as far as I know. Which means that if both packages B and C depend on A, installing B then installing C will install A twice. 2. There is no graphical user interface to install packages. This is not a problem for me because I script everything but it can be problematic for newcomers. As soon as 1 is fixed, I could implement 2 using OB. Bye -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 10, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] ODBC bugs

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Dec 10, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > Yes they were all green before loading the ODBC for Squeak package. > I have also verified with previous versions of Squeak (3.7 up to > 3.10) and they were also green for all Squeak versions BEFORE > loading the ODBC for "Squeak package". In other words, it's not a > Pharo related bug, it affects all versions of Squeak and it's caused > by the ODBC package... > > A very quick look at it shows that the ODBC package has changed the > way we print TimeStamp (an extra comma to separate the date from the > time) and that the #date method in class Time returns the receiver > #asDate, not the "plain" instance variable. Not rocket science to > fix but I wonder if it won't break everything on the ODBC side. > Besides, one might ask if it makes sense to convert a <Time> into a > TimeStamp (as I used to say to Smalltalk newcomers, "yes you can use > a chair as a table and vice-versa but does it really make > sense" ?). Well, that's what this method is trying to do. I would > have to take a closer look at the actual implication and effects of > possible fixes for this method and/or odbc-related methods. > > I will enter 3 bugs into the tracker, ODBC tests failing, the find > string tool and the email bug report in the debugger. > > I know, I complain all the time! ;) I do not feel it like that. And if you add and provide info and fixes this is even better :) > > > I should have been a QA tester!!! lol > > > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) > > > From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:01:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ODBC package bugs > > Hi benoit > > > On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Since I am not familiar with the Pharo process for reporting/fixing > > bugs, here's a quick email to let you know what I have found by > > loading (in order) FFI, ODBC and ODBCEnh packages from SqueakMap > > FYI : > > > > Loading the "ODBC for Squeak" package from SqueakMap into Pharo > > breaks 8 unit tests (4 failures, 4 errors), namely: > > Were these tests green before loading ODBC? > Then do you think that this is because ODBC extend/change TimeStamp? > > > 1) TimeStampTest>>#testPrint > > 2) TimeStampTest>>#testPrinting > > 3) TimeStampTest>>#testStoreOn > > 4) TimeTest>>#testTimeStamp > > 5) DateAndTimeLeapTest>>#testAsTimeStamp > > 6) TimeStampTest>>#testInstanceCreation > > 7) TimeStampTest>>#testReadFromA1 > > 8) TimespanTest>>#testAsTimeStamp > > > Thanks can you enter a bug entry on the bug tracker. > > > On a different topic, doing a string search in the code (menu item > > "method source with it") creates a walkback because : > > > > AbstractObjectsAsMethod(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: > #getSourceFor:in: > > > > Also, I have noticed that if I want to mail a bug report from the > > debugger, the address the email would be sent to is squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > instead of a "Pharo" one. > > > > Hope this helps. > > Sure it does > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > ----------------- > > Benoit St-Jean > > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > > Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com > > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > > (Albert Einstein) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 10, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] IRC Channel

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

up to now I do not use that but we could if people want that. Stef On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > Hello again, > > I couldn't find the info on Google but is there a #pharo channel on > IRC and if so, on what server? > > Thank you! > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 10, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Reporting bugs

by Marcus Denker

On 10.12.2008, at 21:30, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > Where do I report Pharo bugs ? > > a) the Pharo tracker (http://gforge.inria.fr/tracker/?atid=4819&group_id=1299&func=browse > ) No! > > b) http://bugs.squeak.org > No! We use google code tracker: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Dec. 10, 2008

[Pharo-project] SmallFaces and Phantasia

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hello list, Just to say now SmallFaces and Phantasia should load fine in the Pharo image. Cheers. HernÃ¡n PD: http://www.squeaksource.com/SmallFaces.html <http://www.squeaksource.com/Phantasia.html> http://www.squeaksource.com/Phantasia.html

Dec. 10, 2008

[Pharo-project] ODBC bugs

by Benoit St-Jean

Yes they were all green before loading the ODBC for Squeak package. I have also verified with previous versions of Squeak (3.7 up to 3.10) and they were also green for all Squeak versions BEFORE loading the ODBC for "Squeak package". In other words, it's not a Pharo related bug, it affects all versions of Squeak and it's caused by the ODBC package... A very quick look at it shows that the ODBC package has changed the way we print TimeStamp (an extra comma to separate the date from the time) and that the #date method in class Time returns the receiver #asDate, not the "plain" instance variable. Not rocket science to fix but I wonder if it won't break everything on the ODBC side. Besides, one might ask if it makes sense to convert a <Time> into a TimeStamp (as I used to say to Smalltalk newcomers, "yes you can use a chair as a table and vice-versa but does it really make sense" ?). Well, that's what this method is trying to do. I would have to take a closer look at the actual implication and effects of possible fixes for this method and/or odbc-related methods. I will enter 3 bugs into the tracker, ODBC tests failing, the find string tool and the email bug report in the debugger. I know, I complain all the time! ;) I should have been a QA tester!!! lol ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) ________________________________ From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:01:23 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ODBC package bugs Hi benoit On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Since I am not familiar with the Pharo process for reporting/fixing > bugs, here's a quick email to let you know what I have found by > loading (in order) FFI, ODBC and ODBCEnh packages from SqueakMap > FYI : > > Loading the "ODBC for Squeak" package from SqueakMap into Pharo > breaks 8 unit tests (4 failures, 4 errors), namely: Were these tests green before loading ODBC? Then do you think that this is because ODBC extend/change TimeStamp? > 1) TimeStampTest>>#testPrint > 2) TimeStampTest>>#testPrinting > 3) TimeStampTest>>#testStoreOn > 4) TimeTest>>#testTimeStamp > 5) DateAndTimeLeapTest>>#testAsTimeStamp > 6) TimeStampTest>>#testInstanceCreation > 7) TimeStampTest>>#testReadFromA1 > 8) TimespanTest>>#testAsTimeStamp > Thanks can you enter a bug entry on the bug tracker. > On a different topic, doing a string search in the code (menu item > "method source with it") creates a walkback because : > > AbstractObjectsAsMethod(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #getSourceFor:in: > > Also, I have noticed that if I want to mail a bug report from the > debugger, the address the email would be sent to is squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > instead of a "Pharo" one. > > Hope this helps. Sure it does > > > Thank you. > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 10, 2008

[Pharo-project] Reporting bugs

by Benoit St-Jean

Where do I report Pharo bugs ? a) the Pharo tracker (http://gforge.inria.fr/tracker/?atid=4819&group_id=1299&func=browse) b) http://bugs.squeak.org ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein)

Dec. 10, 2008

[Pharo-project] Using pharo-project@LISTS...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys the guys maintaining the server changed the mailing-list names without telling us :( So you should not use pharo-rpoejct@gforge but Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr with the LISTS Sorry for their mess! Stef

Dec. 10, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] IRC Channel

by Alexandre Bergel

no that I am aware of. godfroy_bern(a)hotmail.com is my msn contact. Feel free to add me for chatting about pharo. Alexandre On 10 Dec 2008, at 16:59, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > Hello again, > > I couldn't find the info on Google but is there a #pharo channel on > IRC and if so, on what server? > > Thank you! > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 10, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] ODBC package bugs

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi benoit On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Since I am not familiar with the Pharo process for reporting/fixing > bugs, here's a quick email to let you know what I have found by > loading (in order) FFI, ODBC and ODBCEnh packages from SqueakMap > FYI : > > Loading the "ODBC for Squeak" package from SqueakMap into Pharo > breaks 8 unit tests (4 failures, 4 errors), namely: Were these tests green before loading ODBC? Then do you think that this is because ODBC extend/change TimeStamp? > 1) TimeStampTest>>#testPrint > 2) TimeStampTest>>#testPrinting > 3) TimeStampTest>>#testStoreOn > 4) TimeTest>>#testTimeStamp > 5) DateAndTimeLeapTest>>#testAsTimeStamp > 6) TimeStampTest>>#testInstanceCreation > 7) TimeStampTest>>#testReadFromA1 > 8) TimespanTest>>#testAsTimeStamp > Thanks can you enter a bug entry on the bug tracker. > On a different topic, doing a string search in the code (menu item > "method source with it") creates a walkback because : > > AbstractObjectsAsMethod(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #getSourceFor:in: > > Also, I have noticed that if I want to mail a bug report from the > debugger, the address the email would be sent to is squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > instead of a "Pharo" one. > > Hope this helps. Sure it does > > > Thank you. > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 10, 2008