December 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] public web site

by Marcus Denker

On 16.12.2008, at 10:32, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > Cool! > > Can someone give me write access? I am especially interested in > adding FAQs. (It is one thing I am good at ;-) > I habe given Oscar the passwd. Marcus > - on > > On Dec 15, 2008, at 17:47, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> >> wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Stefan Schmiedl <s(a)xss.de> wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:26:01 +0100 >> StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> But the web site for pharo is going public - still a bit beta. >> >> "The version 1.0 is under heavy development. We have produced over >> 180 >> updates and have closed over 220 issues so far (as of end of Nov. >> 2009)." >> >> blimey ... that year went by so fast, I didn't even notice it. >> >> About > Organization: >> "The community is composed of open source contributors who have >> signed >> the license agreement which can be found on the code development >> site." >> >> Another fine chance for adding a link, IMO. >> >> The problem is that links are a bit hard to with the tool we use... >> >> Adrian fixed it. There is now a box to the right with the links. >> >> Marcus >> >> -- >> >> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Dec. 16, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] public web site

by Oscar Nierstrasz

Cool! Can someone give me write access? I am especially interested in adding FAQs. (It is one thing I am good at ;-) - on On Dec 15, 2008, at 17:47, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> > wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Stefan Schmiedl <s(a)xss.de> wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:26:01 +0100 > StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > But the web site for pharo is going public - still a bit beta. > > "The version 1.0 is under heavy development. We have produced over 180 > updates and have closed over 220 issues so far (as of end of Nov. > 2009)." > > blimey ... that year went by so fast, I didn't even notice it. > > About > Organization: > "The community is composed of open source contributors who have signed > the license agreement which can be found on the code development > site." > > Another fine chance for adding a link, IMO. > > The problem is that links are a bit hard to with the tool we use... > > Adrian fixed it. There is now a box to the right with the links. > > Marcus > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 16, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Russification

by danil osipchuk

> I forgot to mention --- I use Window Vista... if it matters > > > > Yes, I open new Workspace after selecting default text font and see it correctly... but russian symbols from the file (btw, latin symbols from that files are ok). > > > ...I debugged the process of reading file (file contents) and discovered there is no LanguageEnvironment for russian in the image. So Unicode class >> value: give probably incorrect result. Is that the actual problem? Yes, this is definetely a problem - the mcz is not loaded correctly. Here is what I did (basically the same steps you described): 0) downloaded pharo0.1core-10191 1) commented out #setupDefaultFallbackFont and #localeChanged as you did ( _prior_ to the loading of mcz) 2) Performed a doIt: MczInstaller installStream: (HTTPSocket httpGet: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/RussianSupport/RussianSupport-dao.13.mcz' ). Locale switchToID: (LocaleID isoLanguage: 'ru'). It executed cleanly - no walkbacks. 3) Set default and code fonts to arial 4) Opened workspace - and checked if I can enter Russian there (yes, I can). Copy/paste is not working yet - as I said before. 5) Saved a file with a short test string using a russian text as its filename 6) Opened it in workspace using your expression (I had to use CP1251 converter, because notepad happens to save text in this encoding on WindowsXP) So, I'm not going to say it is flawless, but I could make it work. (See the attached screenshot) RussianEnvironment was not part of the base image (or etoys image or any other), because I was not sure that the underlying infrastructure is stable. At this moment I think I can take another look at it and send a package which could be included into a base distribution (if I get it right that LanguageEnvironments are distributed with a base system). regards, Danil > > > -- > Dennis Schetinin > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 16, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] IRC channel reminder

by Damien Cassou

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > so may be we should put the channel on a website > else I will never remember. Done on google code page. Should probably be done on pharo-project too. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

Dec. 16, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Website remarks

by Michael Roberts

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I really like the website. > You should try not to offend the Squeak community. ;-) You should have seen it before.... Once Pharo's identity is established and the 1.0 release made, I think this will drop off as an issue. By all means send me content off list and I will do some editing. > For the download page, you should change the link to make it point to > the google code downloads page instead of gforge. google points back to gforge though? One distinction I understand is that this site is for Users, not developers. So there are not planned to be too many links back to the dev site. The idea is to have it self consistent without too many external links. If we had a decent place to host the files that would be ideal. I have linked directly to the latest preview build. > There is no syntax highlighting on the screenshot. > On the Organization page, you should add links to the License and > mailing list pages. There are links somewhere I think. I will check. > MailingList is written without a space on the Community page. > You can copy/past the FAQ page from http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/FAQ Well that should be the developer FAQ. I'm not sure we have any true Pharo users yet (who are not core developers) but the idea was that the FAQ on the new site would be different. Hence it not having any enries yet.... ;-) I suspect if we get some momentum we will also want a user mailing list separate from the dev list. we would then gather the user's faqs... thanks for the feedback Mike

Dec. 16, 2008

[Pharo-project] Website remarks

by Damien Cassou

I really like the website. You should try not to offend the Squeak community. For the download page, you should change the link to make it point to the google code downloads page instead of gforge. There is no syntax highlighting on the screenshot. On the Organization page, you should add links to the License and mailing list pages. MailingList is written without a space on the Community page. You can copy/past the FAQ page from http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/FAQ Bye -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

Dec. 16, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType scanning Font folders

by John M McIntosh

For Sophie I took the tactic of recording the details of the font files that were loaded, on restart we just would re-read the directory (a fast process) then compare the remembered files against the cached list. If there was a difference we would just resolve which were added, changed or deleted and update our list. On 15-Dec-08, at 8:38 PM, Rob Rothwell wrote: > Here is a change set that adds an "Update" button to the font list > dialog. I have never created a change set before, or submitted > anything for that matter. I used my full name (not initials), but > don't know if I am supposed to do anything else. > > I like not re-scanning unless you need to, but I bet it might break > if the Fonts have NEVER been loaded...I'll have to think about how > to test that. > > You still need to remove FreeTypeFontProvider from the startup list > as well... > > Take care, > > Rob > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Marcus Denker > <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote: > > On 14.12.2008, at 12:02, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I am preparing a new istoa public release with latest Pharo. I am > only > > using two fonts and I would like FreeType to only scan the Font > folder > > along the .image. > > Can someone point me where to look to prevent FreeType scanning the > > host system folders at start up? > > > > The font reading is done in FreeTypeFontProvider class>>startUp: > > I really don't like this font scanning... I wonder if we can delay > that somehow. > e.g. to the point where the font-chooser is actually opened? > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > <FontChooserUpdateButton. > 1.cs>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Dec. 16, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType scanning Font folders

by Rob Rothwell

Here is a change set that adds an "Update" button to the font list dialog. I have never created a change set before, or submitted anything for that matter. I used my full name (not initials), but don't know if I am supposed to do anything else. I like not re-scanning unless you need to, but I bet it might break if the Fonts have NEVER been loaded...I'll have to think about how to test that. You still need to remove FreeTypeFontProvider from the startup list as well... Take care, Rob On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote: > > On 14.12.2008, at 12:02, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I am preparing a new istoa public release with latest Pharo. I am only > > using two fonts and I would like FreeType to only scan the Font folder > > along the .image. > > Can someone point me where to look to prevent FreeType scanning the > > host system folders at start up? > > > > The font reading is done in FreeTypeFontProvider class>>startUp: > > I really don't like this font scanning... I wonder if we can delay > that somehow. > e.g. to the point where the font-chooser is actually opened? > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker <http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Edenker> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 16, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType scanning Font folders

by Rob Rothwell

In fact, the FontChooserMorph looks simple enough that even I might be able to give that a shot! Rob On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Rob Rothwell <r.j.rothwell(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I just removed the #startup: method, and everything still works fine for > fonts ALREADY loaded...even the font selection dialog box. Maybe just a > button to rescan on demand? > > Take care, > > Rob > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> would be nice indeed. >> >> Stef >> >> On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >> > >> > On 14.12.2008, at 12:02, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >> > >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> I am preparing a new istoa public release with latest Pharo. I am >> >> only >> >> using two fonts and I would like FreeType to only scan the Font >> >> folder >> >> along the .image. >> >> Can someone point me where to look to prevent FreeType scanning the >> >> host system folders at start up? >> >> >> > >> > The font reading is done in FreeTypeFontProvider class>>startUp: >> > >> > I really don't like this font scanning... I wonder if we can delay >> > that somehow. >> > e.g. to the point where the font-chooser is actually opened? >> > >> > Marcus >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >> > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker <http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Edenker> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType scanning Font folders

by Rob Rothwell

I just removed the #startup: method, and everything still works fine for fonts ALREADY loaded...even the font selection dialog box. Maybe just a button to rescan on demand? Take care, Rob On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > would be nice indeed. > > Stef > > On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > > > On 14.12.2008, at 12:02, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I am preparing a new istoa public release with latest Pharo. I am > >> only > >> using two fonts and I would like FreeType to only scan the Font > >> folder > >> along the .image. > >> Can someone point me where to look to prevent FreeType scanning the > >> host system folders at start up? > >> > > > > The font reading is done in FreeTypeFontProvider class>>startUp: > > > > I really don't like this font scanning... I wonder if we can delay > > that somehow. > > e.g. to the point where the font-chooser is actually opened? > > > > Marcus > > > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker <http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Edenker> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 15, 2008