November 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Marcus Denker

On 03.11.2008, at 15:52, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> Why not to have Pharo-standard and Pharo-Enterprise ? >>> >> >> The idea is that the version *with* the tools is the standard. Not >> the one without. ;-) > > > What about Pharo-minimal and Pharo-enterprise? I vote for Pharo-Core and Pharo. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Nov. 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Alexandre Bergel

>> Why not to have Pharo-standard and Pharo-Enterprise ? >> > > The idea is that the version *with* the tools is the standard. Not > the one without. ;-) What about Pharo-minimal and Pharo-enterprise? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Nov. 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Marcus Denker

On 03.11.2008, at 15:44, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> Yes good idea, to have 2 differents names, but why Pharo-IDE ? There >>> is no IDE in the core version ? >> >> There is only a minimal one, and it will be further reduced in the >> future. So, for real work, it is suggested to use the "IDE" image, >> which includes all the productivity tools like autocompletion and >> syntax highlighting (for a list see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Packages) >> . However, for a Seaside server I would rather use the core to >> reduce the memory footprint. > > I tend to agree with Serge on this. Having IDE in the name might be > confusing for people. > Why not to have Pharo-standard and Pharo-Enterprise ? > The idea is that the version *with* the tools is the standard. Not the one without. ;-) Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Nov. 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Alexandre Bergel

>> Yes good idea, to have 2 differents names, but why Pharo-IDE ? There >> is no IDE in the core version ? > > There is only a minimal one, and it will be further reduced in the > future. So, for real work, it is suggested to use the "IDE" image, > which includes all the productivity tools like autocompletion and > syntax highlighting (for a list see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Packages) > . However, for a Seaside server I would rather use the core to > reduce the memory footprint. I tend to agree with Serge on this. Having IDE in the name might be confusing for people. Why not to have Pharo-standard and Pharo-Enterprise ? Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Nov. 3, 2008

[Pharo-project] A new plugin for Eclipse to ease code browsing

by Damien Cassou

http://www.nwiresoftware.com/ screencast: http://www.nwiresoftware.com/sites/nwiresoftware.com/video.php?file=/sites/… -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Nov. 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Damien Cassou

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Concerning terminology, I suggest to name the official Pharo image, which > will be packaged as a one-click image, "Pharo-IDE". And the one where the > actual development of Pharo takes place is named Pharo-CORE. Using DEV is > ambiguous because its not clear whether this image is supposed to develop > applications or Pharo itself. During ESUG, we discussed about that with Marcus. IIRC, he wanted the current pharo-dev (your Pharo-IDE) to be named just Pharo. The core, which should only be used by people "knowing what they do" would be named Pharo-core. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Nov. 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi Adrian, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Concerning terminology, I suggest to name the official Pharo image, > which will be packaged as a one-click image, "Pharo-IDE". And the one > where the actual development of Pharo takes place is named Pharo-CORE. > Using DEV is ambiguous because its not clear whether this image is > supposed to develop applications or Pharo itself. I'm also not happy with Pharo-IDE name. I'd rather stay with DEV, because we all were getting used of the name from Damien's images. I also don't find the name ambiguous, it means the images as a TOOL for development, for developers. While CORE means some core image on top of which you can then build your own image, according to your own wishes, without removing unneeded stuff first. Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Nov. 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] SLICE-Object-isTransparent-GwenaelCasaccio.2?

by Gwenael Casaccio

Hi, This is the issue 129 Cheers, Gwenael On 11/1/08 9:42 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Hi Gwenael, > > In PharoInbox there is the following slice, but I don't know which issue > it corresponds to (please always add the issue number in the slice > comment or file name)? > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > Name: SLICE-Object-isTransparent-GwenaelCasaccio.2 > Author: GwenaelCasaccio > Time: 31 October 2008, 2:45:20 pm > UUID: fdf5a312-c557-4c5d-a071-50f6369ae8c4 > Ancestors: SLICE-Object-isTransparent-GwenaelCasaccio.1 > Remove isTransparent from Object and add lazy initialization for the > accessors topLeftColor, bottomRightColor of the class SimpleBorder > > > ___________________ > http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Adrian Lienhard

On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:55 , Serge Stinckwich wrote: > 2008/11/3 Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch>: >> thanks, I forgot to list the one-click image. I added the plan to >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Milestones >> >> Concerning terminology, I suggest to name the official Pharo image, >> which >> will be packaged as a one-click image, "Pharo-IDE". And the one >> where the >> actual development of Pharo takes place is named Pharo-CORE. Using >> DEV is >> ambiguous because its not clear whether this image is supposed to >> develop >> applications or Pharo itself. > > Yes good idea, to have 2 differents names, but why Pharo-IDE ? There > is no IDE in the core version ? There is only a minimal one, and it will be further reduced in the future. So, for real work, it is suggested to use the "IDE" image, which includes all the productivity tools like autocompletion and syntax highlighting (for a list see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Packages) . However, for a Seaside server I would rather use the core to reduce the memory footprint. > Why not Pharo-stable and Pharo-unstable ? because there exists a stable CORE too. Changes are done on the core and from this the IDE is then built. I hope this helps to explain the rationale behind the suggested naming. Adrian

Nov. 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Pavel Krivanek

I suggest to have at least one next image - without everything what can be safely unloaded. For the next cleaning and shrinking purposes. Of course if you want to have similar sequence of automatically build images like the KernelImage. -- Pavel On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > thanks, I forgot to list the one-click image. I added the plan to > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Milestones > > Concerning terminology, I suggest to name the official Pharo image, which > will be packaged as a one-click image, "Pharo-IDE". And the one where the > actual development of Pharo takes place is named Pharo-CORE. Using DEV is > ambiguous because its not clear whether this image is supposed to develop > applications or Pharo itself. > > Adrian > > > On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:15 , Damien Cassou wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: >> >>> Is there anything important we missed? Any suggestions? >>> >> >> - review pharo-dev images and make comments so that the official Pharo >> image contains some dev tools and pharo-dev becomes useless. >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good >> luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Nov. 3, 2008