November 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] HostWindows rewrite

by Bill Schwab

That is certainly possible. In fact, if the tools are available in both systems, have Morphic rescue a troubled native system too. However, all I am saying is that we should avoid both of the following: (1) native widgets are a joke and should never be used (2) native widgets are the answer to all problems for all time I do not (much) care whether the IDE is emulated or native. I **do** care that I can mix them up as needed in my own software. Case in point, I Dolphin, I do a lot of emulating for large grids, etc. Native and emulated both have their uses, and we should not do anything that clobbers either unless we gain a lot from it. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> siguctua(a)gmail.com 11/24/2008 2:25:58 PM >>> 2008/11/24 Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: > I agree: it would be useful to control host windows in some way, whether > as described below, or via Wx, etc. The native windows/controls have > their uses, though they are not (IMHO) the panacea that many believe > them to be. So, it would be very nice to be able to mix native and > emulated GUI elements. > > Bill > I just thought, that having multiple native windows can help great in debugging graphics (Morphic) code. Currently, if you got a bug in morphic code, there's a big chance in complete loss the display and no way to see anything or debug it. With multiple host windows, you can spawn a new host window with debugger, and then step through the drawing routines and see what is happening and how your code drawing things. > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > >>>> antony.blakey(a)gmail.com 11/9/2008 4:35 PM >>> > > On 09/11/2008, at 10:17 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> What you'll never see in new plugin: >> - native widgets support or any kind of dealing with native widgets/ > >> controls. > > Notwithstanding this, IMO a really good feature would be the ability > to create and manage native views within windows, where e.g. a Morph > could be 'backed' by a native view. This feature alone is enough to > later allow native controls (such as WebKit) to mix with 'light' > controls with correct z-ordering/clipping/event handling etc. > > Of course one could retrofit such a feature, but using native views > from the start would encourage any Morphic mods (or other widget set) > > to use native views and hence be ready for better integration. > > Antony Blakey > -------------------------- > CTO, Linkuistics Pty Ltd > Ph: 0438 840 787 > > Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn > from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent > > disinclination to do so. > -- Douglas Adams > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] OB package browser don't detects newpackages/updates a package list

by Igor Stasenko

2008/11/26 David RÃ¶thlisberger <squeak(a)webcitas.ch>: > >>> Of course we could always update whenever there is a change in the >>> system, >>> but this would lead to a huge performance penalty, particular when >>> loading >>> or fileing in code, so I didn't change that. >>> >> >> I think that is fairly simple: >> >> SystemChangeNotifier uniqueInstance >> notify: self "browser" >> ofSystemChangesOfItem: #class >> change: #Recategorize >> using: #someClassChanged:. >> >> In #someClassChanged: post a deferred message to update browser cache, >> so it will be handled just after file-in will be complete. > > Actually this is what we are doing now, we defer the update until World > steps in. See OBCodeBrowser #event:, #noteChanges and #stepAt:in:. > Or about what kind of deferring mechanism are you thinking? > No, i thought excactly about that :) > David > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Nov. 26, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph....

by Henrik Johansen

isValid ^true and asMinimalRepresentation ^self on BlockContext. Gary Chambers wrote: > Which methods (curious)... > > Regards, Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrik Johansen" > <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> > To: "Pharo Development" <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... > > >> When you're working with integrating Polymorph anyways, you might want >> to have a look at issue 337, so switching to the Vistary look doesn't >> cause a crash. >> It's 2 methods that need to be added, nothing big. >> Henry >> >> Gary Chambers wrote: >>> Hopefully the latest on SqueakSource is mostly stable. >>> I'll upload the last uncommitted modifications... >>> >>> Regards, Gary. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Denker" >>> <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> >>> To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:49 PM >>> Subject: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... >>> >>> >>>> It loads already (update 10175). I am now making a sync update to >>>> sync the repository back with the image. >>>> (and remove a hack to not display a progressbar while loading). >>>> >>>> Should be done tonight. >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

Nov. 26, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph....

by Gary Chambers

Which methods (curious)... Regards, Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrik Johansen" <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> To: "Pharo Development" <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... > When you're working with integrating Polymorph anyways, you might want > to have a look at issue 337, so switching to the Vistary look doesn't > cause a crash. > It's 2 methods that need to be added, nothing big. > Henry > > Gary Chambers wrote: >> Hopefully the latest on SqueakSource is mostly stable. >> I'll upload the last uncommitted modifications... >> >> Regards, Gary. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Denker" <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> >> To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:49 PM >> Subject: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... >> >> >>> It loads already (update 10175). I am now making a sync update to >>> sync the repository back with the image. >>> (and remove a hack to not display a progressbar while loading). >>> >>> Should be done tonight. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph....

by Gary Chambers

Version 18 has the fix for the annoying PreferenceBrowser search box (actually the problem was in PluggableTextMorph>>accept using deferred message for selection reinstating). Regards, Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chambers" <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> To: "Pharo Development" <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... > Polymorph-Widgets-gvc.19.mcz is latest. > > Regards, Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Chambers" <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> > To: "Pharo Development" <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... > > >> Hopefully the latest on SqueakSource is mostly stable. >> I'll upload the last uncommitted modifications... >> >> Regards, Gary. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marcus Denker" <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> >> To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:49 PM >> Subject: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... >> >> >>> It loads already (update 10175). I am now making a sync update to sync >>> the repository back with the image. >>> (and remove a hack to not display a progressbar while loading). >>> >>> Should be done tonight. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph....

by Henrik Johansen

When you're working with integrating Polymorph anyways, you might want to have a look at issue 337, so switching to the Vistary look doesn't cause a crash. It's 2 methods that need to be added, nothing big. Henry Gary Chambers wrote: > Hopefully the latest on SqueakSource is mostly stable. > I'll upload the last uncommitted modifications... > > Regards, Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Denker" <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> > To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:49 PM > Subject: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... > > >> It loads already (update 10175). I am now making a sync update to >> sync the repository back with the image. >> (and remove a hack to not display a progressbar while loading). >> >> Should be done tonight. >> >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

Nov. 26, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph....

by Gary Chambers

Polymorph-Widgets-gvc.19.mcz is latest. Regards, Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chambers" <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> To: "Pharo Development" <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... > Hopefully the latest on SqueakSource is mostly stable. > I'll upload the last uncommitted modifications... > > Regards, Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcus Denker" <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> > To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:49 PM > Subject: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... > > >> It loads already (update 10175). I am now making a sync update to sync >> the repository back with the image. >> (and remove a hack to not display a progressbar while loading). >> >> Should be done tonight. >> >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph....

by Gary Chambers

Hopefully the latest on SqueakSource is mostly stable. I'll upload the last uncommitted modifications... Regards, Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Denker" <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] integrating polymorph.... > It loads already (update 10175). I am now making a sync update to sync > the repository back with the image. > (and remove a hack to not display a progressbar while loading). > > Should be done tonight. > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 26, 2008

[Pharo-project] integrating polymorph....

by Marcus Denker

It loads already (update 10175). I am now making a sync update to sync the repository back with the image. (and remove a hack to not display a progressbar while loading). Should be done tonight. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Nov. 26, 2008

[Pharo-project] [update] #10173

by Marcus Denker

-> clean Preferences more (see postscript) -> clean Protocol. Delete unused classes: MethodInterface, MethodWithInterface, remove all implementors of #vocabularyDemanded. -> clean Smallland Colorschems. Delete class SmallLandColorTheme and all 8 subclasses -> Postscript: Preferences removePreference: #twentyFourHourFileStamps. Preferences removePreference: #showProjectNavigator. Preferences removePreference: #viewersInFlaps. Preferences removePreference: #compactViewerFlaps. Preferences removePreference: #classicNavigatorEnabled. Preferences removePreference: #navigatorOnLeftEdge. Preferences removePreference: #changeSetVersionNumbers. Preferences removePreference: #browseWithDragNDrop. -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Nov. 26, 2008