October 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello: an idealist question

by Bill Schwab

Dolphin has been running on Wine for a while, so get a community edition copy and give it a try. Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> pennell.david(a)gmail.com 10/9/2008 10:44 AM >>> VW runs has been on Linux since about 2001. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Matthew Fulmer <tapplek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I really wish I could try out Dolphin and VW and see what I am > missing, but they don't run on linux. >

Oct. 9, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello: an idealist question

by David Pennell

VW runs has been on Linux since about 2001. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Matthew Fulmer <tapplek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I really wish I could try out Dolphin and VW and see what I am > missing, but they don't run on linux. >

Oct. 9, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello: an idealist question

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Good to know I really want to get rid of category too. Stef On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Matthew Fulmer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 06:56:44AM -0400, Bill Schwab wrote: >> Thanks for the reply. Please do not feel attacked in any way by >> this, >> but you have beautifully illustrated my point: I am not asking to put >> method in multiple *packages*, I am asking to free categories to do >> what >> they *should* do, which is tag methods in ways I find useful. >> PackageInfo (not to denigrate it), has completely hijacked the >> concept - >> actually, the Squeak community failed to add state to allow it to >> operate independently of categories. > > Ok. It sounds kind of like how Craig changed this in Spoon. He > got rid of Catogories altogether. In spoon, there are modules, > which are a collection of methods. Attached to each method is a > number of tags. One usually wants to browse by tags, but one can > browse by modules too. > > I really wish I could try out Dolphin and VW and see what I am > missing, but they don't run on linux. > > -- > Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 9, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello: an idealist question

by Matthew Fulmer

On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 06:56:44AM -0400, Bill Schwab wrote: > Thanks for the reply. Please do not feel attacked in any way by this, > but you have beautifully illustrated my point: I am not asking to put > method in multiple *packages*, I am asking to free categories to do what > they *should* do, which is tag methods in ways I find useful. > PackageInfo (not to denigrate it), has completely hijacked the concept - > actually, the Squeak community failed to add state to allow it to > operate independently of categories. Ok. It sounds kind of like how Craig changed this in Spoon. He got rid of Catogories altogether. In spoon, there are modules, which are a collection of methods. Attached to each method is a number of tags. One usually wants to browse by tags, but one can browse by modules too. I really wish I could try out Dolphin and VW and see what I am missing, but they don't run on linux. -- Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/

Oct. 9, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] how to register a tool in the open menu?

by Damien Cassou

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > this is MethodFinder in Pharo You must add it to the Universes. The how-to is at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5899. Each time you make a significant update to the package and you think it's stable, you will also have to update the universe. Bye -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Oct. 9, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] how to register a tool in the open menu?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this is MethodFinder in Pharo > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Damien could you add the MethodFinder to the tools you add to the >> oneClick >> image. > > As soon as you tell me it's ready and its repository. > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 9, 2008

[Pharo-project] Some little syntax fix.

by Mathieu Suen

Hi, I have some little syntax fix. This will let the newcompiler recompile the image. Mth

Oct. 9, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello: an idealist question

by Bill Schwab

Thanks for the reply. Please do not feel attacked in any way by this, but you have beautifully illustrated my point: I am not asking to put method in multiple *packages*, I am asking to free categories to do what they *should* do, which is tag methods in ways I find useful. PackageInfo (not to denigrate it), has completely hijacked the concept - actually, the Squeak community failed to add state to allow it to operate independently of categories. The uses of multiple categories are probably obvious, but they can be as simple as marking something as, for example, being a helper for the FFT, and specifically applying to the frequency domain. Dolphin visually distinguishes public and private methods, so I tend to be generous with the private category as I find it helps me when I look at a class with many methods. It is difficult to miss something you have never had, but trust me when I say that you are missing out. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> tapplek(a)gmail.com 10/08/08 10:33 PM >>> On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 07:52:29PM -0400, Bill Schwab wrote: > Colin, > > Among many useful things in Dolphin is an ability to assign multiple > categories to any given method; Squeak and Pharo allow only one > category, and it promptly gets chewed up by PackageInfo. Multiple > categories would be a nice addition to Squeak and Pharo. > > How hard would it be to change Monticello to take its input not from > PackageInfo and its (pardon me) abuse of category names, but from > reifications of the categories? The new objects would form the basis > for packaging system, and free method categories to do what they do > best: aid in browsing and understanding code. You could change PackageInfo to use the new scheme easily, I'm sure, or you could use Monticello2, which adds another abstraction layer atop PackageInfo (slices). And if Craig ever releases Spoon, we'll have another contender for version management (Naiad) PackageInfo is not that complicated. I was able to rewrite its image scanning code to be about 8x faster in about 40 lines of code, spread across 8 methods Making the browser nicely cope with whatever scheme you invent will be the real challenge. Can you give me an example of why you want one method in two packages? Monticello can handle that by using overrides, but it is a different version in each package. -- Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 9, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello: an idealist question

by Damien Pollet

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Matthew Fulmer <tapplek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > PackageInfo is not that complicated. Some might even say it's rather simplistic >:] It would make sense to have real objects reify the code organization. > Can you give me an example of why you want one method in two > packages? Monticello can handle that by using overrides, but it > is a different version in each package. I guess he meant method categories (protocols) ? -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Oct. 9, 2008

[Pharo-project] Pharo one click on Win32 - VM fix available + new Freetype plugin

by Torsten Bergmann

The Pharo one click VM for Win32 still has the full screen problem, which is already fixed for Squeak by Andreas with a newer VM. See http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6818 for details and the new sources. There is also a new build of the external Freetype Plugin. See http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2008-October/131889.… Thx Torsten -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehÃ¶rt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger

Oct. 9, 2008