October 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Torsten Bergmann

Lukas wrote: >I think this is the end of Squeak. Would you declare ... (insert any technology here) dead if the website/mailinglist is not reachable for a few days? So it's not the end of Squeak - but maybe the end of the wacky webserver. The server was already down in September and the box admins started to search for an explanation - see [1] Bye Torsten [1] http://www.nabble.com/-squeak-dev--Box-Admins-Team-Report-for-September,-20… -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehÃ¶rt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] DependencyBrowser

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Dan Corneanu <dan.corneanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Am I missing something? > Is there an extra step I should perform before being able to use the > image for development? > > In the meantime, I'll continue using the dev image. The pharo-dev that you can find at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2 are the only images which include OB, RB, eCompletion and the others. In the future, we plan to only release these dev images and call them simply Pharo. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] DependencyBrowser

by Dan Corneanu

I've just downloaded the latest Pharo image, downloaded the latest updates and found out that OBBrowser is not present and e-completion is not working. Am I missing something? Is there an extra step I should perform before being able to use the image for development? In the meantime, I'll continue using the dev image. On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:28 PM, <bryce(a)kampjes.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Alexandre Bergel writes: > > You should continue to produce your dev image. > > I have seen a lot of people using it. Really.

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Lukas Renggli wrote: >> They dont. They just suffer silently. > > The Seaside community is suffering (not quite silently) since Friday. > > I think this is the end of Squeak. We have to migrate our mailing-lists. This is definitely not the end of Squeak! Just a good school... Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Michael Rueger

Lukas Renggli wrote: >> They dont. They just suffer silently. > > The Seaside community is suffering (not quite silently) since Friday. > > I think this is the end of Squeak. We have to migrate our mailing-lists. Is there a way to mirror the squeaksource repository? Or any squeaksource server? Michael

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Lukas Renggli

> They dont. They just suffer silently. The Seaside community is suffering (not quite silently) since Friday. I think this is the end of Squeak. We have to migrate our mailing-lists. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Removing default fonts

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I understand your point. But I do not have a measure for self-contained system and without crap. So keeping the fonts is important to avoid to rely on a lot of external software. So to me it makes sense to keep and improve the existing while at the same time use other when it makes sense but not to the point that self contained is damaged. Stef On Oct 21, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Antony Blakey wrote: > > On 21/10/2008, at 5:43 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> for the vision behind pharo >> imagine all the implications behind >> >> â¢ Better for the better >> â¢ Beauty to learn from >> â¢ Not backward compatible >> â¢ Clean, lean and fast >> >> We want a system in which >> - we can plug different UI frameworks >> - clean network, clean file system, clean fonts, clean events, >> clean compiler... >> - that we could bootstrap: this is one of the goal also >> - with robust software engineering practices (packages with >> documentation, tests, smalllint rules attached). > > But 'imagining implications' isn't really useful as objective input > into decision making, or anything that you can measure progress, or > even success against. I'll just point to the decision about FreeType > - where are the goals/constraints from which that decision follows? > > Anyway, I'm not trying to piss anyone off, so I'll bow out of this > discussion. > > Antony Blakey > ------------- > CTO, Linkuistics Pty Ltd > Ph: 0438 840 787 > > The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of > comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge > and controversy. > -- Martin Luther King > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Removing default fonts

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> >> have a look at the code and you will get the answer. >> No giant spagetthi code in pharo. >> I do not want to argue endlessly on that. Squeak is the forum for >> that kind of discussions. > > I'm not arguing one way or the other, and as you (StÃ©phane) know, > I'm doing a much more brutal pruning. I'm *only* suggesting that you > develop some guidelines and principles that are objective, > measurable, reasonable (as in, useful in reasoning) and useful for > decision making, to guide the development and work that goes into > Pharo. I have one: less crap and not working stuff. :) Stef

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] OldSocket removal

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks!!! Stef On Oct 21, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > I've started working on OldSocket removal: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=275. I need someone to > review my first changes. > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 21, 2008

[Pharo-project] Bleeding edge version of OB

by Alexandre Bergel

is now available in Pharo. It shows system complexity and the class blueprint. Just load ScriptLoader loadSuperOB Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 21, 2008