October 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Lukas Renggli

> Is there a way to mirror the squeaksource repository? Or any squeaksource > server? Also this is not related to the issues discussed here (squeaksource.com is running), it can be easily done using wget or a similar tool. For example to mirror the Seaside 2.9 repository: wget --recursive --no-parent --accept mcz "http://www.squeaksource.com/Seaside29/" Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Marcus Denker

On 21.10.2008, at 14:13, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > arghhhhhhhh > infrastrcuture touching us, I hope it will get better. > How esug can help? > Not that I know... what is important for the future is that the infrastructure is in one hand. What killed us this time was the mixup between Squeak eV, me, the real admins (who actually do a real good job...) and SqF. If everything would be handled by SqF (money wise) and the admins, everything would be fine. Marcus > Stef > >>>> here's what I wrote to janko: >> >> That's a long story. >> >> The server had some problems on-and-off over the last two months. I >> contacted multiple times the hoster and did not get any answer. Last >> Friday I found out that the hoster always answered, but send the >> answer to the board of Squeak e.V. (who is the paying the server >> since 1.5 years). >> >> So I am not on the board of Squeak e.V, and the current board did >> not forward any emails to me, because they thought I would get them. >> >> So that was resolved on Friday, and Hetzner did a hardware check >> directly Friday evening. The result was that they exchanged the RAM >> of the server. >> Now the problem: the server rebooted, but in some strange state >> (ping works, ssh login does not work). >> >> As I do not have an account, I could not test it. And so we only >> realized this Saturday late evening when Ken tried to log in. Now >> at hetzner, >> we do not have free sunday support, so a reboot had to wait till >> monday morning. >> >> The reboot was done, but the server is in the same state. As I have >> no passwd, I could not check that, so I only 1h ago could contact >> hetzer again. >> ============== >> >> So another reboot was done. ssh up, but does not let anyone in. >> Now we have the offer of getting a login console to the hardware to >> check what is wrong, but I don't have the passwd, so I can only wait. >> >> All in all, a really bad situation. >> >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Lukas wrote: >> I think this is the end of Squeak. > > Would you declare ... (insert any technology here) dead if the > website/mailinglist is not reachable > for a few days? > > So it's not the end of Squeak - but maybe the end of the wacky > webserver. > > The server was already down in September and the box admins started to > search for an explanation - see [1] No of course not. And this is not our goal to see squeak dead. I think that lukas was just pissed of. Stef

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

arghhhhhhhh infrastrcuture touching us, I hope it will get better. How esug can help? Stef >>> here's what I wrote to janko: > > That's a long story. > > The server had some problems on-and-off over the last two months. I > contacted multiple times the hoster and did not get any answer. Last > Friday I found out that the hoster always answered, but send the > answer to the board of Squeak e.V. (who is the paying the server > since 1.5 years). > > So I am not on the board of Squeak e.V, and the current board did > not forward any emails to me, because they thought I would get them. > > So that was resolved on Friday, and Hetzner did a hardware check > directly Friday evening. The result was that they exchanged the RAM > of the server. > Now the problem: the server rebooted, but in some strange state > (ping works, ssh login does not work). > > As I do not have an account, I could not test it. And so we only > realized this Saturday late evening when Ken tried to log in. Now at > hetzner, > we do not have free sunday support, so a reboot had to wait till > monday morning. > > The reboot was done, but the server is in the same state. As I have > no passwd, I could not check that, so I only 1h ago could contact > hetzer again. > ============== > > So another reboot was done. ssh up, but does not let anyone in. > Now we have the offer of getting a login console to the hardware to > check what is wrong, but I don't have the passwd, so I can only wait. > > All in all, a really bad situation. > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Marcus Denker

On 21.10.2008, at 12:38, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Lukas wrote: >> I think this is the end of Squeak. > > Would you declare ... (insert any technology here) dead if the > website/mailinglist is not reachable > for a few days? > > So it's not the end of Squeak - but maybe the end of the wacky > webserver. > > The server was already down in September and the box admins started to > search for an explanation - see [1] > here's what I wrote to janko: That's a long story. The server had some problems on-and-off over the last two months. I contacted multiple times the hoster and did not get any answer. Last Friday I found out that the hoster always answered, but send the answer to the board of Squeak e.V. (who is the paying the server since 1.5 years). So I am not on the board of Squeak e.V, and the current board did not forward any emails to me, because they thought I would get them. So that was resolved on Friday, and Hetzner did a hardware check directly Friday evening. The result was that they exchanged the RAM of the server. Now the problem: the server rebooted, but in some strange state (ping works, ssh login does not work). As I do not have an account, I could not test it. And so we only realized this Saturday late evening when Ken tried to log in. Now at hetzner, we do not have free sunday support, so a reboot had to wait till monday morning. The reboot was done, but the server is in the same state. As I have no passwd, I could not check that, so I only 1h ago could contact hetzer again. ============== So another reboot was done. ssh up, but does not let anyone in. Now we have the offer of getting a login console to the hardware to check what is wrong, but I don't have the passwd, so I can only wait. All in all, a really bad situation. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] 10095: questions

by Alexandre Bergel

Excellent! Cheers, Alexandre On 21 Oct 2008, at 13:13, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Why is there only a simple change browser. Why not the double one? >> I always >> found the simple one less useful. > > I think Adrian is aware of that and will replace the single one by the > double one. In the meantime, you can still: DualChangeSorter open > >> How can I update Pharo ? Before the 'load update' in the left-hand >> flap >> provided it. > > World menu->system->uptade > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] 10095: questions

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Alex, Stef already requested to add the double change browser instead of the simple one. I will change this (soon). The update function is in: World->System->Software update. Cheers, Adrian On Oct 21, 2008, at 13:02 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > I just tried Pharo 10095. It looks very clean. I like that. > > Why is there only a simple change browser. Why not the double one? I > always found the simple one less useful. > > How can I update Pharo ? Before the 'load update' in the left-hand > flap provided it.

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] 10095: questions

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Alexandre Bergel <Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Why is there only a simple change browser. Why not the double one? I always > found the simple one less useful. I think Adrian is aware of that and will replace the single one by the double one. In the meantime, you can still: DualChangeSorter open > How can I update Pharo ? Before the 'load update' in the left-hand flap > provided it. World menu->system->uptade -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Oct. 21, 2008

[Pharo-project] 10095: questions

by Alexandre Bergel

Dear List, I just tried Pharo 10095. It looks very clean. I like that. Why is there only a simple change browser. Why not the double one? I always found the simple one less useful. How can I update Pharo ? Before the 'load update' in the left-hand flap provided it. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Serge Stinckwich

2008/10/21 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>: > Lukas Renggli wrote: >>> >>> They dont. They just suffer silently. >> >> The Seaside community is suffering (not quite silently) since Friday. >> >> I think this is the end of Squeak. We have to migrate our mailing-lists. > > This is definitely not the end of Squeak! Just a good school... The french mailing list seems dead also ... -- Serge Stinckwich IRD - UR 079 Geodes, MSI Team, Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Oct. 21, 2008