October 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] squeak sites not available

by Marcus Denker

Hi, Squeak.org is working again. Marcus On 21.10.2008, at 14:29, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 21.10.2008, at 14:13, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> arghhhhhhhh >> infrastrcuture touching us, I hope it will get better. >> How esug can help? >> > > Not that I know... what is important for the future is that the > infrastructure is in one hand. > What killed us this time was the mixup between Squeak eV, me, the > real admins (who actually do a real good > job...) and SqF. If everything would be handled by SqF (money wise) > and the admins, everything > would be fine. > > Marcus > > >> Stef >> >>>>> here's what I wrote to janko: >>> >>> That's a long story. >>> >>> The server had some problems on-and-off over the last two months. >>> I contacted multiple times the hoster and did not get any answer. >>> Last >>> Friday I found out that the hoster always answered, but send the >>> answer to the board of Squeak e.V. (who is the paying the server >>> since 1.5 years). >>> >>> So I am not on the board of Squeak e.V, and the current board did >>> not forward any emails to me, because they thought I would get them. >>> >>> So that was resolved on Friday, and Hetzner did a hardware check >>> directly Friday evening. The result was that they exchanged the >>> RAM of the server. >>> Now the problem: the server rebooted, but in some strange state >>> (ping works, ssh login does not work). >>> >>> As I do not have an account, I could not test it. And so we only >>> realized this Saturday late evening when Ken tried to log in. Now >>> at hetzner, >>> we do not have free sunday support, so a reboot had to wait till >>> monday morning. >>> >>> The reboot was done, but the server is in the same state. As I >>> have no passwd, I could not check that, so I only 1h ago could >>> contact hetzer again. >>> ============== >>> >>> So another reboot was done. ssh up, but does not let anyone in. >>> Now we have the offer of getting a login console to the hardware >>> to check what is wrong, but I don't have the passwd, so I can only >>> wait. >>> >>> All in all, a really bad situation. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] 10095: questions

by Marcus Denker

Hi Damien, good job with the dev image! We should really think/discuss about the next one-click be based on the dev image (the non-one-click then will be the "core" image for people building deployment images, for example). Marcus On 21.10.2008, at 19:45, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: >> Please update, we currently are at version 10101, so 10095 is >> already old ;) > > This is partly my fault because the latest pharo-dev is already 4 days > old. I apologize and am generating a new image right now based on > 10101. > > Sorry > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] 10095: questions

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Please update, we currently are at version 10101, so 10095 is already old ;) This is partly my fault because the latest pharo-dev is already 4 days old. I apologize and am generating a new image right now based on 10101. Sorry -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] OldSocket removal

by John M McIntosh

Actually the tests there are rather primitive, why don't you pickup the tests from http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/html/OTNotes4.html I also have some changes Rob Withers made if someone wants those files for integration On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > I've started working on OldSocket removal: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=275. I need someone to > review my first changes. > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Size of objects

by Lukas Renggli

> BTW, I think that would be a meaningful addition. Could somebody quickly > check the method to verify that I didn't do any miscalculation? The only problem I see is that variable objects might also have inst-vars. So you need to count the self class instSize * Smalltalk wordSize part in any case. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] 10095: questions

by Lukas Renggli

> The "recently logged changes" menu item has been reintroduced in the world > menu refactoring I did in a recent change (because as Lukas said its a > crucial feature). Please update, we currently are at version 10101, so 10095 > is already old ;) I was on an older versions. Thanks for adding it. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Size of objects

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi FrÃ©dÃ©ric Nice to see you on the Pharo mailing list! Just the other day I needed this too and I implemented the following method: Object>>sizeInMemory "Returns the number of bytes used by this object in memory (including its header)" | headerSize instanceSize | headerSize := (self class indexIfCompact > 0 ifTrue: [ 4 ] ifFalse: [ 8 ]). instanceSize := (self class isVariable ifFalse: [ self class instSize * Smalltalk wordSize ] ifTrue: [ (self basicSize * (self class isBytes ifTrue: [ 1 ] ifFalse: [ Smalltalk wordSize ])) ]). ^ headerSize + instanceSize BTW, I think that would be a meaningful addition. Could somebody quickly check the method to verify that I didn't do any miscalculation? Cheers, Adrian On Oct 21, 2008, at 17:58 , Frederic Pluquet wrote: > Hello, > > For an experimentation, I need to know the size in bytes of any > object. Is there a way to obtain this information in Pharo ? > > FrÃ©d > > -- > FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet > UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) > Assistant > http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] 10095: questions

by Adrian Lienhard

The "recently logged changes" menu item has been reintroduced in the world menu refactoring I did in a recent change (because as Lukas said its a crucial feature). Please update, we currently are at version 10101, so 10095 is already old ;) Also notice that the menu was redesigned from ground up. So the organization is a bit different than the one in the previous menu which may be strange for a moment for those of us that have memorized the previous organization, but for newcomers it will be much easier to understand. Also, the menu is optimized to make often used tools accessible with only one click. Now, the previous item "recently logged changes" is in World->Tools- >Recover lost changes... Cheers, Adrian On Oct 21, 2008, at 16:21 , Gary Chambers wrote: > +1 on that... > > Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Renggli" <renggli(a)gmail.com> > To: "Pharo Development" <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 10095: questions > > > Another thing I missed in recent versions is the possibility to open a > changes-list on the recently logged changes. This is an absolutely > crucial feature for an image based system, to be able to restore after > a crash. > > Cheers, > Lukas > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: >> Excellent! >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 21 Oct 2008, at 13:13, Damien Cassou wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Alexandre Bergel >>> <Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> Why is there only a simple change browser. Why not the double >>>> one? I >>>> always >>>> found the simple one less useful. >>> >>> I think Adrian is aware of that and will replace the single one by >>> the >>> double one. In the meantime, you can still: DualChangeSorter open >>> >>>> How can I update Pharo ? Before the 'load update' in the left- >>>> hand flap >>>> provided it. >>> >>> World menu->system->uptade >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good >>> luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 21, 2008

[Pharo-project] Size of objects

by Frederic Pluquet

Hello, For an experimentation, I need to know the size in bytes of any object. Is there a way to obtain this information in Pharo ? FrÃ©d -- FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Assistant http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet

Oct. 21, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Looking for ImageSegment tests

by Adrian Lienhard

On Oct 21, 2008, at 16:05 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi all > > if by any chance you have some code that could be turned into tests, > or > some tests or some time to write tests for image segments this would > be great > because etoy is really deep inside image segment and I would really > like to keep this > beautiful idea working :) yes please. We use this in production (like DabbleDB), and it works very well. I just hope to never really need to understand the code... Adrian

Oct. 21, 2008