Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon
lol, "far left".
Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the
ruling class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of
production. Not to consider that every human being has the right to
consider themselves as they please and makes them feel more in sync with
the world, without being abused by people that believes they have the
right to judge others choices.
But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly
acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not
want to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter
than any other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep
in that shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all
the other leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or
alike) like him.
Esteban
ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a
ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be
able to go and protest to twitter.
On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where
perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real
women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community
standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so
far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result,
don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You
are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby
with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression
makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not
contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great
and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash
any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou
<steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only
contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything
related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code
convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political
opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they
try to impose in community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I
wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR
more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl
<norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with
the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way
you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social
media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the
wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to
differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna
Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so
called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Pharo people should go on whatever social media Pharo people want to go
on. I shall not follow because social media seem to bring out the worst in
people whatever the topic or platform. I am thrilled to the very socks
with this mailing list and deeply grateful to the Pharo developers for the
time and effort they put into Pharo and here. I only fear that antisocial
media will dilute that effort, because Ducasse et al may be superhuman,
their time is still linited.
On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 at 10:37 PM, Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong
political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not
so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
I generally skew left on social programs, but have conservative opinions on
monetary policy, for instance.
However, I am deeply concerned how the far left shuts down any political
debate that even slightly disagree with their viewpoint and ban people for
stating otherwise. Calling someone "nazi" and 'fascist" or saying "trans
women are not real women" is an example of this.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:23 PM Esteban Lorenzano via Pharo-users <
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
lol, "far left".
Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the ruling
class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of production.
Not to consider that every human being has the right to consider themselves
as they please and makes them feel more in sync with the world, without
being abused by people that believes they have the right to judge others
choices.
But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly
acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not want
to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter than any
other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep in that
shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all the other
leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or alike) like
him.
Esteban
ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a
ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be
able to go and protest to twitter.
On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where
perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women")
are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo
chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make
themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are
being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the
water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any
sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not
contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun
system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any
emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou steven.costiou@kloum.io wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only
contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to
people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code
convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion",
"tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in
community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what
fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more
tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong
political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not
so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
I don’t know how I have been copied into this thread. I have not posted anything on this topic, because I don’t understand what it’s all about. It looks as though Stephane Ducasse wrote to thank me for renewing my membership, and somehow my name was repeated in later posts. Please, Esteban, why are you sending me threats? As I said, I have not posted anything in this thread.
Peter Kenny
From: Esteban Lorenzano via Pharo-users pharo-users@lists.pharo.org
Sent: 19 February 2025 21:23
To: Peter Kenny peter@pbkresearch.co.uk
Cc: Esteban Lorenzano estebanlm@netc.eu
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon
lol, "far left".
Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the ruling class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of production. Not to consider that every human being has the right to consider themselves as they please and makes them feel more in sync with the world, without being abused by people that believes they have the right to judge others choices.
But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not want to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter than any other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep in that shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all the other leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or alike) like him.
Esteban
ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be able to go and protest to twitter.
On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org > wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io mailto:steven.costiou@kloum.io > wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name mailto:norbert@hartl.name > wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas < mailto:steveeq1@gmail.com steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com > wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see
non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender
discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant
forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where
perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women")
are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo
chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make
themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are
being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the
water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any
sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not
contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun
system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any
emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou steven.costiou@kloum.io wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only
contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to
people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code
convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion",
"tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in
community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what
fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more
tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong
political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not
so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any
money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors
so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital
always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <
richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see
non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender
discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant
forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where
perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women")
are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo
chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make
themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are
being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the
water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any
sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not
contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and
fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any
emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou steven.costiou@kloum.io
wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only
contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to
people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code
convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion",
"tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in
community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what
fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more
tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name
wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong
political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not
so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that
seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also,
I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan
either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59 PM Harald harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any
money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors
so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital
always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <
richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see
non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender
discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant
forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com
wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where
perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women")
are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo
chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make
themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You
are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with
the water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes
any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not
contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and
fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any
emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou steven.costiou@kloum.io
wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only
contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to
people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code
convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion",
"tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in
community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder
what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more
tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name
wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong
political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not
so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called
#eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that
seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence.
Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf
hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59 PM Harald harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving
him any money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private
investors so it will likely become another twitter one day,
because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent,
<richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the
wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to
differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather
not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo
lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your
gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some
other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python
community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions
("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under
the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left
because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result,
don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal
people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not
"nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who
have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via
Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away
the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english
readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french
expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people
that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it
is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter
to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou
<steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities
and their only contribution is to jump into
discussions to fight anything related to people
wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago
for the code convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong
political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all
the nazi words they try to impose in community
discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even
contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at
ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we
have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists.
Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing
viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl
<norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being
on X with the "wrong political opinion". It
works either way. The way you experience it is
not so much an artefact of the social media
platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you
for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter
is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir
Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people
participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
YES to all of that!
I'm also convinced that bluesky will become similar to twitter, sooner
or later.
We also started Mastodon accounts for Pharo and ESUG, and perhaps
ultimately we'll succeed in moving an important part of the community there.
But bluesky or twitter before were never mandatory to be up to date with
Pharo, so it's not an incentive to join Bluesky.
Le 20/02/2025 à 01:58, Harald a écrit :
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him
any money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private
investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because
the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent,
richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the
wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing
viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not
see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender
discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more
relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community.
Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women
are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks
community standards".I've noticed more and more programming
groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback
loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make
themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not
"nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a
differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via
Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the
baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french
expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that
do not contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is
a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to
trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou
<steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and
their only contribution is to jump into discussions to
fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from
their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for
the code convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong
political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the
nazi words they try to impose in community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even
contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at
ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have
become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter
is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a
leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl
<norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on
X with the "wrong political opinion". It works
either way. The way you experience it is not so much
an artefact of the social media platform but the
mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for
having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much
more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir
Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people
participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have
no place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should
have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself
could participate.
Kind Regards
Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that
seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence.
Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf
hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59 PM Harald harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving
him any money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private
investors so it will likely become another twitter one day,
because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent,
<richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the
wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to
differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather
not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo
lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your
gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some
other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python
community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions
("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under
the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left
because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a
result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to
normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not
"nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who
have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via
Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw
away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for
english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french
expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people
that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because
it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a
filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou
<steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities
and their only contribution is to jump into
discussions to fight anything related to people
wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago
for the code convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong
political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just
all the nazi words they try to impose in community
discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even
contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at
ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we
have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists.
Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing
viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl
<norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round
being on X with the "wrong political opinion".
It works either way. The way you experience it
is not so much an artefact of the social media
platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you
for having the wrong political opinion.
Twitter is much more open to differing
viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray
Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
<offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people
participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social