Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon
Go fuck yourself with Hitler!
It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS
OUT!
I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's
purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views",
"everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion
(and so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...).
No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT
WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS.
Le 20/02/2025 à 09:51, dave@radpac.co.za a écrit :
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have
no place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We
should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler
himself could participate.
Kind Regards
Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled
that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO
evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I
am no adolf hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59 PM Harald
harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid
giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private
investors so it will likely become another twitter one day,
because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent,
<richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having
the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to
differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather
not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo
lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your
gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some
other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python
community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions
("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under
the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left
because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a
result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to
normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not
"nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who
have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via
Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw
away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for
english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french
expression makes any sense but you can probably get
it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people
that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because
it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a
filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou
<steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities
and their only contribution is to jump into
discussions to fight anything related to people
wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago
for the code convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong
political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just
all the nazi words they try to impose in community
discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even
contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students
at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community
we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists.
Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing
viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl
<norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round
being on X with the "wrong political opinion".
It works either way. The way you experience it
is not so much an artefact of the social media
platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you
for having the wrong political opinion.
Twitter is much more open to differing
viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray
Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
<offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people
participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
Time to grow up and focus on the purpose of this list.
Kind Regards
Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:59, Steven Costiou wrote:
Go fuck yourself with Hitler!
It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want
NAZIS OUT!
I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's
purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political
views", "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any
discussion (and so the leftists are the one cancelling your
opinions...good joke...).
No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS
NOT WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS.
Le 20/02/2025 à 09:51, dave@radpac.co.za a écrit :
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours,
have no place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We
should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler
himself could participate.
Kind Regards
Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled
that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO
evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I
am no adolf hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59 PM Harald
harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid
giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private
investors so it will likely become another twitter one day,
because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent,
<richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having
the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to
differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would
rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo
lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your
gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to
some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas
<steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python
community. Where perfectly acceptable political
opinions ("trans women are not real women") are
suppressed under the guise of "breaks community
standards".I've noticed more and more programming
groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber
feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy
they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are
not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people
who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via
Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw
away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for
english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french
expression makes any sense but you can probably get
it).
We will do what we want and do not care about
people that do not contribute and not in a positive
mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because
it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a
filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou
<steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities
and their only contribution is to jump into
discussions to fight anything related to people
wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years
ago for the code convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber",
"wrong political opinion", "tolerant",
"leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to
impose in community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with
nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even
contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students
at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community
we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists.
Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing
viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl
<norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round
being on X with the "wrong political
opinion". It works either way. The way you
experience it is not so much an artefact of
the social media platform but the mindset you
have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve
Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you
for having the wrong political opinion.
Twitter is much more open to differing
viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray
Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
<offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people
participating the so called #eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
Do you honestly think I'm a "nazi"? And Elon Musk too? If so, you have lost
touch with reality! I blame social media, it causes brain rot. BlueSky
makes it worse because it only shows one side of the debate while twitter
shows multiple perspectives.
On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 1:10 AM dave@radpac.co.za wrote:
Time to grow up and focus on the purpose of this list.
Kind Regards
Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:59, Steven Costiou wrote:
Go fuck yourself with Hitler!
It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS
OUT!
I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's
purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views",
"everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and
so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...).
No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT
WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS.
Le 20/02/2025 à 09:51, dave@radpac.co.za a écrit :
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no
place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should
have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could
participate.
Kind Regards
Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that
seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also,
I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan
either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59 PM Harald harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any
money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors
so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital
always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <
richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see
non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender
discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant
forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com
wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where
perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women")
are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo
chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make
themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You
are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with
the water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes
any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not
contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and
fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any
emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou steven.costiou@kloum.io
wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only
contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to
people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code
convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political
opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to
impose in community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder
what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more
tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name
wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong
political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not
so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called
#eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Does anyone physically know this Steven Costiou person?
Honest question, is he mentally ill? Reason I am asking is that he knows
nothing about me, but immediately brands me as "nazi" based off of two
things I said:
- I like Elon Musk
- I don't like BlueSky
He seems serious about it too. My guess is that he's "terminally online"
and has formed a very warped perception of reality due to too much exposure
to social media echo chambers (aka "brain rot"). But maybe i'm wrong and
there's something I'm missing here.
- Steve
On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 1:00 AM Steven Costiou steven.costiou@kloum.io
wrote:
Go fuck yourself with Hitler!
It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS
OUT!
I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's
purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views",
"everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and
so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...).
No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT
WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS.
Le 20/02/2025 à 09:51, dave@radpac.co.za a écrit :
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no
place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should
have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could
participate.
Kind Regards
Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that
seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also,
I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan
either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59 PM Harald harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist.
Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any
money, so fuck twitter/x.
I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors
so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital
always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <
richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion:
" Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see
non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender
discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant
forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06 PM Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com
wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where
perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women")
are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed
more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo
chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make
themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You
are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23 AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with
the water of the bath (sorry for english readers
I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes
any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not
contribute and not in a positive mindset.
Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and
fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any
emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou steven.costiou@kloum.io
wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only
contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to
people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code
convenant stuff.
He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political
opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to
impose in community discussions.
Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis.
So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder
what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more
tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38 AM Norbert Hartl norbert@hartl.name
wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong
political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not
so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas steveeq1@gmail.com:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong
political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called
#eXodus
and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus