pharo9 tools moldability
Dear all,
Being a long time smalltalk user (meaning I'm crafting tools for my own
usage for domains I'm working with) I always relied upon the environment
itself to interact with models to spare time creating user interfaces.
Besides plain inspectors I used metafacilities where possible -- seaside,
then omnibrowser and lately glamour toolkit in pharo8.
Now it seems the glamourous core is not part of pharo9 anymore. Meanwhile
pharo9 looks increasingly neat and I would like to make a transition but
having tools in pharo8 holds me back.
I would be grateful for any pointers to help me to get started with the
moldable inspectors pharo9 - papers, talks, online discussions, etc. I can
likely figure it out on my own, but having an overall understanding of the
approach concept would save an effort and shorten the trial and error
phase.
(maybe I'm overcomplicating it and just having browsed around inspector
code pragmas is enough to get started)
regards,
Danil
Hi danil
Have a look at the extension in FileReference for example.
You will see how you can extend the default inspector.
What you should see is that you can use any Spec20 UI within the panes.
So we get the extensibility without the glamour and we gain the uniformity of
using Spec20.
For us the moldability is important. If you have scenario that do not work we will study because
the current version may need some adjustments.
But what I can garantee is that we want to make sure that we can all build our own tools.
Here are the extensions we are using for a new compiler we are building
On 18 Dec 2021, at 16:06, Danil Osipchuk danil.osipchuk@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
Being a long time smalltalk user (meaning I'm crafting tools for my own usage for domains I'm working with) I always relied upon the environment itself to interact with models to spare time creating user interfaces. Besides plain inspectors I used metafacilities where possible -- seaside, then omnibrowser and lately glamour toolkit in pharo8.
Now it seems the glamourous core is not part of pharo9 anymore. Meanwhile pharo9 looks increasingly neat and I would like to make a transition but having tools in pharo8 holds me back.
I would be grateful for any pointers to help me to get started with the moldable inspectors pharo9 - papers, talks, online discussions, etc. I can likely figure it out on my own, but having an overall understanding of the approach concept would save an effort and shorten the trial and error phase.
(maybe I'm overcomplicating it and just having browsed around inspector code pragmas is enough to get started)
regards,
Danil
This may interest you:
https://modularmoose.org/2021/05/04/how-to-build-a-new-moose-tool.html
De: "Danil Osipchuk" danil.osipchuk@gmail.com
À: "Pharo Development List" pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
Envoyé: Samedi 18 Décembre 2021 15:06:33
Objet: [Pharo-dev] pharo9 tools moldability
Dear all,
Being a long time smalltalk user (meaning I'm crafting tools for my own usage
for domains I'm working with) I always relied upon the environment itself to
interact with models to spare time creating user interfaces. Besides plain
inspectors I used metafacilities where possible -- seaside, then omnibrowser
and lately glamour toolkit in pharo8.
Now it seems the glamourous core is not part of pharo9 anymore. Meanwhile pharo9
looks increasingly neat and I would like to make a transition but having tools
in pharo8 holds me back.
I would be grateful for any pointers to help me to get started with the moldable
inspectors pharo9 - papers, talks, online discussions, etc. I can likely figure
it out on my own, but having an overall understanding of the approach concept
would save an effort and shorten the trial and error phase.
(maybe I'm overcomplicating it and just having browsed around inspector code
pragmas is enough to get started)
regards,
Danil
Stephane, yes the AbstractFileReference extensions is definitely a very
illustrative example.
From a quick glance it all seems to be pretty straightforward.
Also I'd like to use this opportunity to congratulate all who worked hard
to make the Pharo9 release possible. It is impressive how clean the code
and even UI are now, I would say on par with Dolphin which is a high bar.
Obviously a lot of care went into this. Also the books and infrastructure
around the project - it is amazing.
regards,
Danil
вс, 19 дек. 2021 г. в 00:07, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr:
Hi danil
Have a look at the extension in FileReference for example.
You will see how you can extend the default inspector.
What you should see is that you can use any Spec20 UI within the panes.
So we get the extensibility without the glamour and we gain the uniformity
of
using Spec20.
For us the moldability is important. If you have scenario that do not work
we will study because
the current version may need some adjustments.
But what I can garantee is that we want to make sure that we can all build
our own tools.
Here are the extensions we are using for a new compiler we are building
On 18 Dec 2021, at 16:06, Danil Osipchuk danil.osipchuk@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
Being a long time smalltalk user (meaning I'm crafting tools for my own
usage for domains I'm working with) I always relied upon the environment
itself to interact with models to spare time creating user interfaces.
Besides plain inspectors I used metafacilities where possible -- seaside,
then omnibrowser and lately glamour toolkit in pharo8.
Now it seems the glamourous core is not part of pharo9 anymore. Meanwhile
pharo9 looks increasingly neat and I would like to make a transition but
having tools in pharo8 holds me back.
I would be grateful for any pointers to help me to get started with the
moldable inspectors pharo9 - papers, talks, online discussions, etc. I can
likely figure it out on my own, but having an overall understanding of the
approach concept would save an effort and shorten the trial and error
phase.
(maybe I'm overcomplicating it and just having browsed around inspector
code pragmas is enough to get started)
regards,
Danil
Sebastian, yes, this is exactly kind of writeups I was asking for -- thanks
regards,
Danil
вс, 19 дек. 2021 г. в 20:19, Sebastian Jordan Montano <
sebastian.jordan@inria.fr>:
This may interest you:
https://modularmoose.org/2021/05/04/how-to-build-a-new-moose-tool.html
*De: *"Danil Osipchuk" danil.osipchuk@gmail.com
*À: *"Pharo Development List" pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
*Envoyé: *Samedi 18 Décembre 2021 15:06:33
*Objet: *[Pharo-dev] pharo9 tools moldability
Dear all,
Being a long time smalltalk user (meaning I'm crafting tools for my own
usage for domains I'm working with) I always relied upon the environment
itself to interact with models to spare time creating user interfaces.
Besides plain inspectors I used metafacilities where possible -- seaside,
then omnibrowser and lately glamour toolkit in pharo8.
Now it seems the glamourous core is not part of pharo9 anymore. Meanwhile
pharo9 looks increasingly neat and I would like to make a transition but
having tools in pharo8 holds me back.
I would be grateful for any pointers to help me to get started with the
moldable inspectors pharo9 - papers, talks, online discussions, etc. I can
likely figure it out on my own, but having an overall understanding of the
approach concept would save an effort and shorten the trial and error
phase.
(maybe I'm overcomplicating it and just having browsed around inspector
code pragmas is enough to get started)
regards,
Danil
you have also this :
https://github.com/pharo-spec/smalltodo-example/blob/master/SmallTODO-Tutorial-1.md
Esteban
On Dec 19 2021, at 8:37 pm, Danil Osipchuk danil.osipchuk@gmail.com wrote:
Sebastian, yes, this is exactly kind of writeups I was asking for -- thanks
regards,
Danil
вс, 19 дек. 2021 г. в 20:19, Sebastian Jordan Montano <sebastian.jordan@inria.fr (mailto:sebastian.jordan@inria.fr)>:
This may interest you:
https://modularmoose.org/2021/05/04/how-to-build-a-new-moose-tool.html
De: "Danil Osipchuk" <danil.osipchuk@gmail.com (mailto:danil.osipchuk@gmail.com)>
À: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org (mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org)>
Envoyé: Samedi 18 Décembre 2021 15:06:33
Objet: [Pharo-dev] pharo9 tools moldability
Dear all,
Being a long time smalltalk user (meaning I'm crafting tools for my own usage for domains I'm working with) I always relied upon the environment itself to interact with models to spare time creating user interfaces. Besides plain inspectors I used metafacilities where possible -- seaside, then omnibrowser and lately glamour toolkit in pharo8.
Now it seems the glamourous core is not part of pharo9 anymore. Meanwhile pharo9 looks increasingly neat and I would like to make a transition but having tools in pharo8 holds me back.
I would be grateful for any pointers to help me to get started with the moldable inspectors pharo9 - papers, talks, online discussions, etc. I can likely figure it out on my own, but having an overall understanding of the approach concept would save an effort and shorten the trial and error phase.
(maybe I'm overcomplicating it and just having browsed around inspector code pragmas is enough to get started)
regards,
Danil