> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel <dirkockertnel@gmail.com>: > > I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... what inspired the name? :) - I like the word - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on Norbert > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: >> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat). >> >> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful. >> >> Tim >> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: >>> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as usual it doesn't go that fast. >>> >>> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public release v1. So what is soil? >>> >>> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo <http://pharo.org/>. It is transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy to inspect, ... >>> >>> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil >>> >>> This release is still considered early stage because >>> >>> although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;) >>> there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage collection, etc. >>> >>> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to try. >>> >>> Hopy you enjoy it! >>> >>> Norbert & Marcus >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list@lists.esug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org <mailto:esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org>

- although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and
there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is
not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I
need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)
- there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage
collection, etc.

> > To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on Haha, Soil can also be thought of as "ground up stone" :) Dale On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:13 AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: > > > Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel <dirkockertnel@gmail.com>: > > I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... > what inspired the name? :) > > > - I like the word > - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix > - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow > on > > Norbert > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: > >> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider >> community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and >> watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the >> extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat). >> >> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil >> and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful. >> >> Tim >> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> >> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as usual >> it doesn't go that fast. >> >> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public >> release v1. So what is soil? >> >> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo <http://pharo.org/>. It is >> transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search >> capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet >> powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy >> to inspect, ... >> >> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil >> >> This release is still considered early stage because >> >> >> - although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and >> there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is >> not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I >> need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;) >> - there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage >> collection, etc. >> >> >> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to try. >> >> Hopy you enjoy it! >> >> Norbert & Marcus >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >

But ground stone is just sand. There’s more than just sand in soil. Soil should have the other ingredients needed for growth. :) On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 11:41 AM Dale Henrichs < dale.henrichs@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow on > > > Haha, Soil can also be thought of as "ground up stone" :) > > Dale > > On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:13 AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: > >> >> >> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel <dirkockertnel@gmail.com>: >> >> I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... >> what inspired the name? :) >> >> >> - I like the word >> - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix >> - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow >> on >> >> Norbert >> >

- although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and
there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is
not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I
need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)
- there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage
collection, etc.

> > But ground stone is just sand. There’s more than just sand in soil. Soil > should have the other ingredients needed for growth. :) I was trying to make a reference to a GemStone *stone *:) Dale On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:27 PM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: > > > Am 08.05.2024 um 16:14 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name>: > >  > > Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel <dirkockertnel@gmail.com>: > > I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... > what inspired the name? :) > > > - I like the word > - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix > - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow > on > > - people having fun with it > > Mission accomplished > > N. > > > Norbert > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: > >> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider >> community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and >> watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the >> extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat). >> >> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil >> and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful. >> >> Tim >> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> >> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as usual >> it doesn't go that fast. >> >> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public >> release v1. So what is soil? >> >> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo <http://pharo.org/>. It is >> transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search >> capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet >> powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy >> to inspect, ... >> >> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil >> >> This release is still considered early stage because >> >> >> - although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and >> there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is >> not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I >> need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;) >> - there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage >> collection, etc. >> >> >> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to try. >> >> Hopy you enjoy it! >> >> Norbert & Marcus >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >

- although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and
there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is
not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I
need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;)
- there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage
collection, etc.

I know. I was implying that Soil might be more than just bits of that stone. By being soil, it can be a fertile ground for ideas. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:41 PM Dale Henrichs < dale.henrichs@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > But ground stone is just sand. There’s more than just sand in soil. Soil >> should have the other ingredients needed for growth. :) > > I was trying to make a reference to a GemStone *stone *:) > > Dale > > On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:27 PM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: > >> >> >> Am 08.05.2024 um 16:14 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name>: >> >>  >> >> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel <dirkockertnel@gmail.com>: >> >> I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... >> what inspired the name? :) >> >> >> - I like the word >> - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix >> - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow >> on >> >> - people having fun with it >> >> Mission accomplished >> >> N. >> >> >> Norbert >> >> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: >> >>> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider >>> community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and >>> watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the >>> extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat). >>> >>> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil >>> and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: >>> >>> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as >>> usual it doesn't go that fast. >>> >>> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public >>> release v1. So what is soil? >>> >>> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo <http://pharo.org/>. It is >>> transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search >>> capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet >>> powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy >>> to inspect, ... >>> >>> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil >>> >>> This release is still considered early stage because >>> >>> >>> - although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and >>> there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is >>> not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I >>> need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;) >>> - there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage >>> collection, etc. >>> >>> >>> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to >>> try. >>> >>> Hopy you enjoy it! >>> >>> Norbert & Marcus >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list@lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave@lists.esug.org >> >