[Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Richard O'Keefe raoknz at gmail.com
Thu Sep 19 23:44:06 EDT 2019


On the whole, the new code is pretty good.

There was one thing that troubled me, though:
"even outside of Pharo's public communication channels."
What business is it of the Pharo Board what anyone says in any
other community?  I've heard too many cases where A says something
to B and C complains about it as harassment when B didn't mind.
I have personally known people *affectionately* address each other
in terms that most would consider a deadly insult.

My behaviour in all digital media is subject to the
Harmful Digital Communications Act 2015.  See
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2015/0063/latest/whole.html
which extends the Harassment Act 1997.  See
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1997/0092/latest/whole.html
for a definition of harassment.
If I harass anyone according to these Acts, they have a legal remedy.
I understand the the UK and the EU have similar laws.

So I don't understand why the Pharo Board want to extend their reach.


On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 07:21, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I’m talking on behalf of the Pharo Board here.
> As start, we accepted Serge’s proposition without actually discussing it
> much because we didn’t think it was going to be really a problem. Our
> community has been self-regulating since the beginning and we were doing it
> fine until now. Once or twice we (the board) needed to act, but never had a
> real situation as the ones the CoC tries to cover.
> So, we can say we opened the umbrella without rain, just in case.
>
> Now, after observe the situation, we have decided to retract the code. But
> sadly, we cannot just remove it and let things continue as before because
> as it’s know “it you open a can or worms, you will need a bigger can to put
> them back in”. Which means now we need a code of conduct.
>
> So we are going to take the simplest one we could find that still can
> serve our community, you can see it here:
>
> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4660
>
> This PR will be accepted, but as anything in our community, you can still
> discuss it and propose modifications.
> Just remember be respectful of people disagreeing with your ideas :)
>
> Cheers,
> Esteban
>
> PS: As personal note: I blocked a github user that insulted a member of
> our community, a user who did not had history with us (or any other visible
> project), who did not had a name or ways to contact him so I assumed it was
> just another troll. Now, he identifies himself here... I will unblock him,
> but that does not means the kind of disrespectful messages he sent can be
> sent :)
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2019, at 19:47, Ben Coman <btc at openinworld.com> wrote:
>
> makes me wonder whether he's such a machiavellian sociopath, or a useful
> idiot.
>
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 23:07, Eugen Leitl via Pharo-users <
> pharo-users at lists.pharo.org> wrote:
>
>> Let's see, I've posted one email to this list describing the dangers
>> of abusing CoCs
>
>
> I guess you refer to this one...
> > On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 19:39, Eugen Leitl via Pharo-users <
> pharo-users at lists.pharo.org> wrote:
> > I agree. Technical people are too easy to exploit by malignant
> manipulators of people.
> > All too often they don't even realize it after the fact.
>
> Thats fairly benign and doubt it had anything to do with being blocked on
> github.
>
>
>
>> and one post to GitHub describing the motivations of
>> people who introduce CoCs, and immediately get banned on GitHub from
>>
>
> Note, the board member who blocked your GIthub account and deleted your
> post there
> also voiced their opinion as being...
>     For me a "welcome and be nice" should be enough to just continue as
> before.
>     I find the introduction of CoC was a noise we didn't need,
>     our community was doing well and self-regulated without problem until
> now.
>
> So in spite of your implication, I doubt there is anything sinister from
> the CoC in play here.
> Comments such as  "makes me wonder whether he's such a machiavellian
> sociopath, or a useful idiot."
> have been consistently condemned years before thought of a CoC.
>
>
>
>> I'm getting called a troll and a nobody in public by members of the
>> project,
>
>
> Its not that you are a "nobody", but actually you were "unknown to us" two
> days ago.
> Maybe you don't know Serge, but we've know him for years and his good work
> including governance of our GSoC participation
> so please consider why such comments from a newcomer may be dealt with as
> a troll.
> Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by
> people actively applying them, visibly, in public.
>
> Now personally I'm not going to condemn you on one slip.
> I've been told to pull my head in before and they were right - I was
> venting after a bad day at work.  But no one held it against me long.
> These nontechnical and emotion-charge debates are infrequent and I hope
> get a chance to see how things normally run once we are past it.
>
> cheers -ben
>
>
>
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