[Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas offray.luna at mutabit.com
Thu Sep 19 08:57:11 EDT 2019

Thanks Esteban. I'm more hopeful about where community conversation can
take us... let's give it time.



On 19/09/19 7:43 a. m., Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
> I reopened while reporting the abuser (and block him). 
> But frankly, I do not think the discussion will end in anything useful
> (here or there).
> Esteban
>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 14:38, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
>> <offray.luna at mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna at mutabit.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I really liked the way the conversation was advancing on the PR
>> before it was used to insult one of the members of the community. I
>> don't know if closing the whole thread on the PR is only the way to
>> keep the trolls out of it, because it also keeps everyone who is
>> trying to make a good contribution from civilized conversation. There
>> is another way on GitHub to only keep trolls out while making the
>> conversation available for the ones willing to build from it?
>> Cheers,
>> Offray
>> On 19/09/19 6:49 a. m., Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:22, PBKResearch <peter at pbkresearch.co.uk
>>>> <mailto:peter at pbkresearch.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>> I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in
>>>> the present unclear situation. The github entry
>>>> at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md is
>>>> still there, and has been there since last May. The github
>>>> discussion on https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637 was
>>>> abruptly closed by Stephane Ducasse, after some intemperate
>>>> comments about Serge Stinckwich.
>>> Yes it can be closed. 
>>> As we will close ANY thread/issue/PR that directly insults one of
>>> the members of the community. 
>>> Even more important: We can close it if thread has been highjacked
>>> by someone that has no name, no repositories, not anything that
>>> makes you think is a real member of the community or just a troll.
>>> Members can do things right or wrong, as they are human beings. But
>>> emitting opinions in the way they were emitted about what they did
>>> is a no-go. 
>>> So yes, you can discuss anything you want. 
>>> But I personally will moderate any thread that does not discusses
>>> things in a civilised way.
>>> So you have been warned :)
>>> Esteban
>>> PS: I will also remember you that the purpose of this community is
>>> to make Pharo a great development environment. 
>>> And we are all here because we all pursue that.
>>>  We create a software that is open source and wants to have some
>>> social value added.
>>>> This is therefore the only place questions can be asked.
>>>> We now know that Serge posted the Code without prior discussion
>>>> with the board. Did he have authority to do this on behalf of the
>>>> Pharo community? Does the fact that he did so mean it is officially
>>>> adopted by the community – not just for this mailing list, but for
>>>> all Pharo activities? If Serge did not have authority, shouldn’t it
>>>> just be removed, at least until the board have discussed it?
>>>> The PR mentioned above was a proposal by James Foster that, if we
>>>> need a code of conduct, it should be the ACM code. The PR has now
>>>> been closed. Does that mean that James’s proposal has been
>>>> rejected? If so, why?
>>>> If the conversation is closed now, that means that we are tacitly
>>>> accepting that the code is there and in force, and also tacitly
>>>> accepting how it got there. What is necessary is for the board
>>>> collectively, or someone representing the board, to tell us what
>>>> the situation is and what is going to happen next – preferably with
>>>> justifications.
>>>> Peter Kenny 
>>>> *From:* Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces at lists.pharo.org
>>>> <mailto:pharo-users-bounces at lists.pharo.org>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
>>>> Quezadas
>>>> *Sent:* 19 September 2019 03:35
>>>> *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome
>>>> <pharo-users at lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users at lists.pharo.org>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct
>>>> Yeah, I agree. Why is this even here? The thing I like about this
>>>> maillist is that its very community oriented and everyone here
>>>> helps each other. It's devoid of all the political-soapbox nonsense
>>>> that I would find on, say, facebook. Which is why I don't deal with
>>>> that platform anymore. 
>>>> And most of this is common sense anyway. Yeah, don't harass people
>>>> and make fun of them or whatever, Like most people on this list
>>>> doesn't already know that. Im very vocal about certain political
>>>> and social opinions, am not ashamed about my opinions, am open
>>>> about it, is currently "unpopular" but don't discuss them here
>>>> because it's offtopic and I don't want to piss off people in any
>>>> event. I don't want it turning into another facebook basically. 
>>>> I think we should all close this conversation, it's offtopic and
>>>> not relevant to any problems this list has in any meaningful  way. 
>>>> - Steve
>>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:07 PM Kasper Østerbye
>>>> <kasper.osterbye at gmail.com <mailto:kasper.osterbye at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> When I read the Code of conduct which is part of Pharo, my
>>>>> reaction was "OK, I don't expect to run into trouble over that
>>>>> one, so no worries".  
>>>>> After having read the discussion here I would rather it was not there.
>>>>> -- Kasper 
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