[Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Esteban Lorenzano estebanlm at gmail.com
Thu Sep 19 08:43:15 EDT 2019


I reopened while reporting the abuser (and block him). 

But frankly, I do not think the discussion will end in anything useful (here or there).

Esteban

> On 19 Sep 2019, at 14:38, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna at mutabit.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I really liked the way the conversation was advancing on the PR before it was used to insult one of the members of the community. I don't know if closing the whole thread on the PR is only the way to keep the trolls out of it, because it also keeps everyone who is trying to make a good contribution from civilized conversation. There is another way on GitHub to only keep trolls out while making the conversation available for the ones willing to build from it?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Offray
> 
> On 19/09/19 6:49 a. m., Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:22, PBKResearch <peter at pbkresearch.co.uk <mailto:peter at pbkresearch.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in the present unclear situation. The github entry at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md> is still there, and has been there since last May. The github discussion on https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637 <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637> was abruptly closed by Stephane Ducasse, after some intemperate comments about Serge Stinckwich.
>> 
>> Yes it can be closed. 
>> As we will close ANY thread/issue/PR that directly insults one of the members of the community. 
>> Even more important: We can close it if thread has been highjacked by someone that has no name, no repositories, not anything that makes you think is a real member of the community or just a troll.
>> 
>> Members can do things right or wrong, as they are human beings. But emitting opinions in the way they were emitted about what they did is a no-go. 
>> 
>> So yes, you can discuss anything you want. 
>> But I personally will moderate any thread that does not discusses things in a civilised way.
>> 
>> So you have been warned :)
>> 
>> Esteban
>> 
>> PS: I will also remember you that the purpose of this community is to make Pharo a great development environment. 
>> And we are all here because we all pursue that.
>>  We create a software that is open source and wants to have some social value added.
>> 
>>> This is therefore the only place questions can be asked.
>>>  
>>> We now know that Serge posted the Code without prior discussion with the board. Did he have authority to do this on behalf of the Pharo community? Does the fact that he did so mean it is officially adopted by the community – not just for this mailing list, but for all Pharo activities? If Serge did not have authority, shouldn’t it just be removed, at least until the board have discussed it?
>>>  
>>> The PR mentioned above was a proposal by James Foster that, if we need a code of conduct, it should be the ACM code. The PR has now been closed. Does that mean that James’s proposal has been rejected? If so, why?
>>>  
>>> If the conversation is closed now, that means that we are tacitly accepting that the code is there and in force, and also tacitly accepting how it got there. What is necessary is for the board collectively, or someone representing the board, to tell us what the situation is and what is going to happen next – preferably with justifications.
>>>  
>>> Peter Kenny 
>>>  
>>> From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces at lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users-bounces at lists.pharo.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Quezadas
>>> Sent: 19 September 2019 03:35
>>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users at lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users at lists.pharo.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct
>>>  
>>> Yeah, I agree. Why is this even here? The thing I like about this maillist is that its very community oriented and everyone here helps each other. It's devoid of all the political-soapbox nonsense that I would find on, say, facebook. Which is why I don't deal with that platform anymore. 
>>>  
>>> And most of this is common sense anyway. Yeah, don't harass people and make fun of them or whatever, Like most people on this list doesn't already know that. Im very vocal about certain political and social opinions, am not ashamed about my opinions, am open about it, is currently "unpopular" but don't discuss them here because it's offtopic and I don't want to piss off people in any event. I don't want it turning into another facebook basically. 
>>>  
>>> I think we should all close this conversation, it's offtopic and not relevant to any problems this list has in any meaningful  way. 
>>>  
>>> - Steve
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:07 PM Kasper Østerbye <kasper.osterbye at gmail.com <mailto:kasper.osterbye at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> When I read the Code of conduct which is part of Pharo, my reaction was "OK, I don't expect to run into trouble over that one, so no worries".  
>>>> 
>>>> After having read the discussion here I would rather it was not there.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Kasper 
>>>> 
>> 

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