[Pharo-users] Exploring Pier

Jimmie Houchin jlhouchin at gmail.com
Mon Oct 5 10:16:13 EDT 2015

Hello Offray,

My apologies for the delay in reply. I have been on holiday.

Thanks for the suggestions. I am pretty much wanting to stick with Pharo 
solutions. I want to use and contribute to the Pharo ecosystem.

I believe the more we use our own tools and contribute toward the 
ecosystem the better our tools and the ecosystem will be. In Pharo I can 
possibly offer an occasional bug fix, contribute to documentation or tests.

And yes, the other solutions do offer that as well as they are open 
source. But the bar is much higher. I now have to understand their 
ecosystems, languages, and development cultures of a variety of tools.

In Pharo I have Pharo/Smalltalk. Even a simple user can often contribute 
in simple ways. Even as a simple user of a Pharo tool. I can submit 
issues, fix simple issues, improve method or class comments, etc. As I 
learn the Pharo tools and ecosystem I continually improve my ability to 
take care of myself and also contribute to the community. I think Pharo 
is the most user empowering environment I have found. Sure I can find 
lots and lots of other quality tools in other languages. But each is 
their own island. And depending on how broadly I spread the net. 
Different languages, different cultures, different licenses, all 
independent of each other.

I much prefer the Pharo ecosystem and culture. It is home.
I know others who like the other tools, and multiplicity of choice. And 
they feel comfortable there.

Choice is nice. Pharo is mine.

Thanks again for suggestions and for a view on how others approach 
problems and their solutions. That is always available as inspiration 
even within Pharo. I take a look at your stuff.


On 09/28/2015 09:03 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:
> Hi Jimmie,
> Some or your searches/needs seem similar to mine. So I will share some 
> of the stuff I'm using or considering, which is not Pharo/Smalltalk 
> related and how I plan to connect it with Pharo.
> On markup language and documentation I'm using pandoc[1], which covers 
> a wide variety of formats (including Html and LaTeX, like Pillar) and 
> works on Windows, Gnu/Linux and Mac with a pretty portable 
> installation. I use Zotero[2] integration vía BibTeX and Citezen[3] 
> using Grafoscopio[4], a custom made Pharo interactive documentation 
> system I'm building to learn smalltalk. On the website generation, I 
> was a user/promoter of web2py[5] for several year, but recently I'm 
> migrating towards static site genetators like Nikola[6] and Grav[7] 
> because I don't need any much else for my web presence.
> [1] http://pandoc.org/
> [2] https://www.zotero.org/
> [3] 
> http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/citezen-EsugAwards2009.pdf
> [4] http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Offray/Grafoscopio
> [5] http://web2py.com/
> [6] https://getnikola.com/
> [7] http://getgrav.org/
> My idea is to build an interface from Grafoscopio to this non-pharo 
> technologies like static web site generators, so you can use the 
> interactivity of Pharo/Smalltalk, without having to reinvent the wheel 
> all the time (at least for wheels yo don't care about). I'm trying to 
> find the knowledge/time to put this ideas into practice. Maybe you can 
> consider some of these in your initial overview of the problem and the 
> solutions.
> Cheers,
> Offray
> On 22/09/15 11:30, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
>> I know there are options to Pier. To a certain extent part of the 
>> purpose of my email was to explore whether or not Pier is a viable 
>> option and if it has community support that I am not easily seeing.
>> I want to stick with reasonably well supported options.
>> I thought the cms and blog parts of Pier looked interesting. This is 
>> all personal and not for business or public.
>> I definitely want to learn Pillar as it is required if at some point 
>> I want to contribute to any of the documentation. And it looks like a 
>> pretty powerful tool.
>> I do not have any clearly defined goals which make Pier a 
>> requirement. The blog and cms like features are possibly reasonably 
>> implementable in the more currently supported options. And those are 
>> simply things I am exploring not requiring.
>> It seems that Doru possibly uses it on the 
>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog site.
>> Thanks.
>> Jimmie
>> On 09/22/2015 02:38 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin at gmail.com> writes:
>>>> I am interested in learning to use Pier. I browsed the mailing list to
>>>> learn about current status and documentation. It seems to be pretty
>>>> quiet on the mailing lists.
>>>> There seems to be some activity on Smalltalkhub on Pier3.
>>> Pillar, the document model and parser of Pier is alive. I need help but
>>> the project is definitely not dead as we use it for all books we are
>>> writing.
>>> The rest of Pier, mainly the web interface, looks rather dead for me as
>>> well.
>>> Why are you interested in Pier? We might help you find other projects
>>> that could suit your needs.

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