[Pharo-users] I Can Read C++ and Java But I Can't Read Smalltalk
siguctua at gmail.com
Sun Mar 30 21:07:20 EDT 2014
"Your days, as scientist are counted, if you refuse to accept anything
same words, i think, can be applied to programming.
On 30 March 2014 22:31, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo at gmail.com> wrote:
> When I first met Smalltalk, I found its syntax to be so disruptive to
> my mindset that made me want to learn it (I was coding Perl at that
> time). But not everybody feels the same. To some it is scary. Or
> It is true that many C like languages have hundreds of constructs, but
> it is also true that almost all the programmers know how to code in
> one of them, so then the knowledge mapping kicks in and those hundred
> of constructs reduce to a bunch of differences (something our brain is
> prepared to do very well).
> In the past one motto for smalltalk was "talk small, and carry a big
> class library". Nowadays class library is the king, and we like or
> not, we smalltalkers just talk small. Though, I would not change
> Smalltalk's syntax for anything else.
> Esteban A. Maringolo
> 2014-03-30 16:24 GMT-03:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk at me.com>:
> > For me Smalltalk and Lisp are the easiest languages. In smalltalk
> > is an object and in lisp everything is a list. And in other languages you
> > have to learn 100500 language constructs and hacks.
> > Uko
> > On 30 Mar 2014, at 20:52, kilon alios <kilon.alios at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Smalltalk is the easiest language I have learned so far. Python coming
> > second and quite close.
> > I also find Squeak by Example and Pharo by Example very good introductory
> > guides. Smalltalk By Example is even better if you want to know more
> > the language.
> > Smalltalk is similar to Lisp in the sense that it follows its own path
> > it takes some time to escape the C syntax. But overall Smalltalk and Lisp
> > are excellent choices for beginner coders.
> > The article you linked contains those peculiarities but those things will
> > become apparent to anyone following Pharo by Example.
> > And I dont think you will find many people arguing that C++ , Java are
> > readable than Smalltalk and Lisp. Sure to people that are not that
> > experienced could be. But even in that case, I dont quite believe it.
> > Overall however learning languages is not a big deal, its learning
> > that can become a real torture. For example I hated C++ because of MFC
> and I
> > strongly disliked Java because of Swing. Now that I am learning
> > I dislike it because of DOM , Jquery etc . Also Its easy to find good
> > documentation for languages much more difficult for libraries.
> > So I am not buying that Smalltalk is anything else than very easy to
> > Other than that like any language out there it takes some time to get
> > to some things.
> > On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Ben Coman <btc at openinworld.com> wrote:
> >> I came across this article a few days ago. Thought it might be of
> >> interest to some.
> >> http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/courses/spring01/cs635/readingSmalltalk.pdf
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