[Pharo-dev] external#senders (was Re: DebugSession>>activePC:)

Norbert Hartl norbert at hartl.name
Fri Jan 11 08:59:21 EST 2019



> Am 11.01.2019 um 11:33 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven at stfx.eu>:
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>> On 11 Jan 2019, at 08:45, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> You know? since we are sharing frustrations, I have to say: we already had that process (which was the old pharo-vm project). In that project, for each version of vmmaker we were loading it, generating a vm and running pharo tests there (since there are no vm-specific tests, this was working at least to test things were not broken). 
>> And… we were told this was not good and that we needed to submit to the canonical way of building the vm, which we did to not split more the community. 
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>> In the process we lost all our validation process. 
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>> Now we are told that we remove things without caring. 
>> But we care, and we spent a lot of time and effort putting in place mechanisms to allow things to continue moving.
>> And then we needed to throw it away.
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>> Maybe now we have a new attempt and possibility of improving, but honestly I already spent one year of the work this community pays me to do to improve things and then it was wasted work. 
>> I do not thing I want to spend another “sabatical” year like that.
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>> Esteban
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>> Ps: I’m sorry for the frustration rant, but when I see this things emerge I become very-very sad.
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> One can only image, dream, of a world where VM development decided years ago to step into the future with a better process, better code management, modern tools, actual CI, tests, open process for real, welcoming more contributors, catering for its largest user base.
> We live in an ever changing world, resisting change is not the solution.
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> Open source is about embracing and nurturing community, and yes that is sometimes messy, but totally worth it.
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Amen 🙏 
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