[Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

Esteban Lorenzano estebanlm at gmail.com
Sun Oct 8 06:43:47 EDT 2017

> On 8 Oct 2017, at 01:40, Tim Mackinnon <tim at testit.works> wrote:
> I see the answer is due to STON - fine I'll live with it.
> I think we missed a chance to superficially look like more conventional languages on the web in GitHub but that ship had sailed and maybe it's not such a bad thing.

I think tonel does a fair job in keeping “Pharo flavour” and not looking completely alien to newcomers/non-pharoers.
the method detail is just that, a detail. And even looking for readability, we still need to keep what we are, I think :)

> I'll happily take just been able to efficiently use GitHub asap any day.

well, that’s what I’m working on :)


> So please keep rolling forward.
> Tim
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 7 Oct 2017, at 09:08, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tim
>> we talk about this format of methods year ago and we will like it and
>> we will not discuss it anymore.
>> For the record a method is a named block so it fits and we do not have
>> to have {} for method delimiters.
>> Stef
>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim at testit.works> wrote:
>>> Gosh - It actually work quite well to be able to easily browse code online
>>> in a more traditional format of seeing an entire class. Hopefully this leads
>>> to us being able to share solutions to common language agnostic problems.
>>> One small observation - I quickly grok’d the use of class { …. } (with the
>>> curly braces) - but given that smalltalk methods often have lots of  [ ]
>>> (square braces in them), I was a bit surprised to see that method
>>> declarations in tonal don’t use { … } (curly braces) to denote them, but
>>> instead use [ ] - which feels slightly strange given the class declaration
>>> above has. {}.
>>> Was it easier to parse this way, or is there some subtlety I missed? I would
>>> have been tempted to use  {} for classes and methods and [] for the
>>> protocols as this more closely matches what other languages do - and it
>>> might actually make it more easily readable for other programmers. Given we
>>> have to learn this new format anyway - I’d be prepared to give a nod to what
>>> others do…
>>> Possibly this observation comes to late - and maybe there is compelling
>>> reason to go the route we have gone - but maybe its worth a quick double
>>> check as its an exciting development.
>>> Tim
>>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 18:18, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I released Iceberg version 0.6. It includes a lot of small tweaks and fixes,
>>> but the most important inclusion is tonel file format which aims to replace
>>> file tree.
>>> What is Tonel? (https://github.com/pharo-vcs/tonel)
>>> Tonel is a file-per-class file format for monticello repositories. It’s
>>> purpose is to reduce the amount of files touched each operation, make the IO
>>> faster an compact the repositories database.
>>> It has also as an objective to offer an “easy-to-read” format, so people
>>> wanting to understand a chunk of code will recognise it easily.
>>> For testing, I migrated several of my projects to Tonel and I’ve been using
>>> it, you can see some as examples:
>>> https://github.com/estebanlm/MUDClient
>>> https://github.com/estebanlm/pharo-tonel (this was just an example and it
>>> has some minimal errors already fixed)
>>> We plan to migrate Pharo development to tonel to address some problems we
>>> have:
>>> - since it has to read/write a lot of files, IO operations are slow
>>> - and even much more slow in Windows
>>> - Windows also has a problem with longpaths.
>>> Iceberg 0.6 will be integrated to Pharo7 soon :)
>>> To update Pharo 6.1, there are instructions in the readme:
>>> https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg/blob/master/README.md
>>> now, if you wan to migrate your projects to Tonel (from FileTree), here is a
>>> script you can use:
>>> https://github.com/pharo-vcs/tonel/blob/master/MigrateFromFileTree.md
>>> btw, tonel is independent of Iceberg and can be used with plain Monticello
>>> (but it is a metadaless format, history will reside on git, not on
>>> monticello).
>>> cheers,
>>> Esteban

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