[Pharo-dev] changing default theme to DarkTheme

Dimitris Chloupis kilon.alios at gmail.com
Sun Apr 16 08:18:21 EDT 2017


Me too, even my blue theme is nothing more than a customization of dark
theme. Plus dark theme is based on darcula dark theme which is by far the
most popular dark theme out there.
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 at 14:27, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self at gmail.com>
wrote:

> clement esteban is using the dark theme since several years!!!!
> phil too.
> No new code!
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 12:35 AM, Clément Bera <bera.clement at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Isn't a couple days before release a bit late to change the default theme
>> ? Aren't we in feature freeze mode ?
>>
>> If for marketing it makes sense to switch to the dark theme, then let's
>> switch to dark theme. But why not switching for Pharo 7 instead ?
>> Instability is bad for marketing anyway, isn't it ?
>>
>> I don't mind for myself, I will always switch back with user settings to
>> the light theme it's more about the general perception of Pharo stability.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, phil at highoctane.be <phil at highoctane.be>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bah, I made GTSpotter dark theme work with SublimishTheme and got the
>>> "yeah, for Pharo7".
>>>
>>> It is pissing me off but what can I say, just follow what is released.
>>>
>>> Compare Pharo 1 and Pharo 6. Worlds apart. I hope this continues.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <
>>> hernan.morales at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vote for a voting system for these kind of changes. I cannot say it
>>>> more clearly, and I don't know why is asking for a voting system negative?
>>>>
>>>> We all have problems. In the meantime you will make all the changes you
>>>> like to do, and I will continue working on my own way, until I find there
>>>> is more voice for the "small minority".
>>>>
>>>> 2017-04-15 9:30 GMT-03:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Hernan
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you always so negative? Do you think that this is easy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Inria paid Denis to build a remote tool suite for ***research
>>>>> purpose*** and we discovered that a new remote invocation framework was
>>>>> needed and that they were far too many discussions between the model and
>>>>> the view.
>>>>> Denis proposed to build a new browser (and it was not in our plans)
>>>>> and we decided that we cannot do it otherwise.
>>>>> We could keep this tool for us but we share it with the community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you want another example?
>>>>> I asked christopher to build versionner and he discovered that he
>>>>> cannot script well enough the model. And versionner was made
>>>>> for everybody. Now with git we will have to revise it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you want another example?
>>>>> Iceberg we payed nicolas passerini to analyse the situation and to
>>>>> build a system that other people
>>>>> can use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you want another example?
>>>>> Esteban got in his face the FFI problem: you see Spur arrives and FFI
>>>>> nabive boost does not so what do we do?
>>>>> He worked like a mad (and it was not planned because we thought that
>>>>> igor would adpta NB to spur then to 64 bits).
>>>>> And the FFI is for everbody.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you want another example?
>>>>> We spent one year with pavel, guillermo and christophe to make sure
>>>>> that we can make sure that the three yars
>>>>> effort of the phd of guillermo on bootstrap are not lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you want more?
>>>>> All my books are open-source? Do you know how much time I take to
>>>>> write a book?
>>>>>
>>>>> I spent 8 months designing a mooc and do you know how much I earned
>>>>> doing it: 3000 Euros ( so I will make the computation to know how much per
>>>>> hour I lost) and the mooc is free.
>>>>>
>>>>> May be all these examples have no value for you. But for me they have.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you see you can piss on us if it makes you feeling better, and you
>>>>> can rant in your corner.
>>>>> But this is not the vision I have about a community because we are
>>>>> sharing all the things that we are doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
>>>>> hernan.morales at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-04-14 8:44 GMT-03:00 Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-04-14 13:27 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also I am really wondering that this decision was not publicly
>>>>>>>> discussed. We should vote for such kind of changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no, this is not how it works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes, it is how it could work :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Current approach is not bad for technical choices because it is
>>>>>>> difficult to make everybody evolved in particular technical topic.
>>>>>>> But look&feel is different. You just open Pharo and have impression
>>>>>>> is it looks good or not. Voting can work here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would forget about it. I stopped waiting for votes long time ago in
>>>>>> this community. Also I decided to stop contributing to external projects
>>>>>> (including reporting bugs) because who knows which tool (browser, morphic,
>>>>>> etc) the board would like to add/remove tomorrow. I will not invest my time
>>>>>> fixing tools who knows what's the plan on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best you can do is to work in the dark and adapt your stuff with
>>>>>> each new Pharo version.
>>>>>> Of course anyone with enough time/money could fork a new more
>>>>>> democratic Pharo ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hernán
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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