[Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19
st at bestley.co.uk
Thu Dec 22 06:15:11 EST 2016
Well it is definitely not about Pharo
and it is politics whic is (from Greek: πολιτικός politikos, definition
"of, for, or relating to citizens")
On 22/12/2016 10:48, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
> I don't see anywhere me mentioning my support for a political party or
> ideology or even mention politics at all.
> You must have a very abstract definition of "politics".
> Funny thing is that you could not quote the most inappropriate case
> because I am completely against any form of politics including anarchism.
> So please don't make assumptions about people who you know very little
> Accuse me that my reply is not Pharo development based , guilty as
> charged, but then so is not the topic of the discussion.
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 at 12:37, Norbert Hartl
> <norbert at hartl.name
> <mailto:norbert at hartl.name>> wrote:
> I don't think this list is the proper place for discussing politics.
> So can we please not do it?
>> Am 22.12.2016 um 11:20 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis
>> <kilon.alios at gmail.com
>> <mailto:kilon.alios at gmail.com>>:
>> I completely agree with you Phil, the real tragedy is this Berlin
>> tragedy will be the excuse to funnel billion of euros into a war
>> that will bring zero results , billions that could be invested not
>> only to save 30 or even a thousand lives but millions of lives.
>> To talk about regression is to not be aware of how extremely lucky
>> and privileged we are to live in a time that experts call "the
>> long peace" . Never in the recorded human history there were so
>> few wars worldwide and as much poverty and it continuously gets
>> better even in this time of global economic crisis.
>> As a matter of fact the biggest problems we face are the result of
>> this long peace and prosperity . Top ones being over population
>> and climate change.
>> In both cases of positives and negative we experience the profound
>> effects of exponential growth. This crazy curve of constant growth
>> that start small and much later increases in insane rates which
>> has massive positive and negative effects. Its a crazy ride and
>> will only get massively more crazy soon enough, especially now
>> with the coming of the AI revolution.
>> I wonder the role Pharo will play in all this :)
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:56 AM
>> phil at highoctane.be
>> <mailto:phil at highoctane.be>
>> <phil at highoctane.be
>> <mailto:phil at highoctane.be>> wrote:
>> Regression? Consider that 1 human on 5 is under the poverty
>> line vs 1 on 2 not so many years ago and that a large
>> percentage of the human population has been schooled in
>> elementary matters (again, not the case not so far in the past).
>> That is a massive improvement!
>> Despite terrorist casualties, which compared to flu or car
>> crashes, or even toddlers shooting relatives with guns is two
>> orders of magnitude less, we live in the safest environment we
>> have ever had. Not a regression at all.
>> http://www.fayard.fr/histoire-du-terrorisme-9782213687308 has
>> a pretty useful background on their logic. Terrorism is the
>> weapon of the weak in terms of fighting force, otherwise they
>> would engage in a full on war to conquer the territory.
>> The psychological impact is just out of proportions vs the
>> number of casualties.
>> I got rammed into by a truck last week and could have been
>> killed. That's just a mundane occurence that statistically
>> kills more people than any terrorist attack would.
>> Ref: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_de_la_route_en_France
>> "Et depuis 1945, les chiffres sont aussi édifiants, car il
>> faut parler d'au moins 500 000 morts, soit l'équivalent d'un
>> grand conflit majeur, ou l'équivalent des pertes humaines
>> subies en France lors de la Seconde Guerre mondiale."
>> Not to mention domestic accidents: "Chaque année en France,
>> près de 20 000 personnes décèdent dans un accident domestique,
>> c'est trois fois plus que sur la route."" Plus de la moitié
>> des accidents de la vie courante concerne des enfants de 0 à
>> 16 ans. Et malgré les progrès accomplis depuis les années 80,
>> c'est pour eux une des principales causes de décès prématurés.
>> Produits ménagers ou médicaments accessibles, chaise haute non
>> sanglée, table à langer instable. en quelques minutes, la vie
>> peut tourner au drame. Il faut savoir que chez les
>> tout-petits, c'est à l'intérieur de la maison que se situe le
>> Best course of action is to keep on trucking and be a
>> productive element of society. No matter what. YOLO after all.
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:44 PM, stepharong
>> <stepharong at free.fr
>> <mailto:stepharong at free.fr>> wrote:
>> Indeed, immensely sad. Humanity is under regression.
>> When you see that in Mali they destroyed the oldest world
>> What sadden me the most is that in case of attacks in
>> France, these attacks were made by brainwashed french
>> citezen against french citizen contrary to what ugly
>> "politician" would like that we think.
>> It is really sad that these things happen, that so
>> many innocent people are killed and hurt. It makes me
>> even more sad that I seem to be getting used to this,
>> that should not be the case, at all.
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