[Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19

Mark Bestley st at bestley.co.uk
Thu Dec 22 06:15:11 EST 2016


Well it is definitely not about Pharo

and it is politics whic is  (from Greek: πολιτικός politikos, definition 
"of, for, or relating to citizens")


Mark

On 22/12/2016 10:48, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
> I don't see anywhere me mentioning my support for a political party or
> ideology or even mention politics at all.
>
> You must have a very abstract definition of "politics".
>
> Funny thing is that you could not quote the most inappropriate case
> because I am completely against any form of politics including anarchism.
>
> So please don't make assumptions about people who you know very little
> about.
>
> Accuse me that my reply is not Pharo development based , guilty as
> charged, but then so is not the topic of the discussion.
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 at 12:37, Norbert Hartl
> <norbert at hartl.name
> <mailto:norbert at hartl.name>> wrote:
>
>     I don't think this list is the proper place for discussing politics.
>     So can we please not do it?
>
>     thanks,
>
>     Norbert
>
>>     Am 22.12.2016 um 11:20 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis
>>     <kilon.alios at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:kilon.alios at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>     I completely agree with you Phil, the real tragedy is this Berlin
>>     tragedy will be the excuse to funnel billion of euros into a war
>>     that will bring zero results , billions that could be invested not
>>     only to save 30 or even a thousand lives but millions of lives.
>>
>>     To talk about regression is to not be aware of how extremely lucky
>>     and privileged we are to live in a time that experts call "the
>>     long peace" . Never in the recorded human history there were so
>>     few wars worldwide and as much poverty and it continuously gets
>>     better even in this time of global economic crisis.
>>
>>     As a matter of fact the biggest problems we face are the result of
>>     this long peace and prosperity . Top ones being over population
>>     and climate change.
>>
>>     In both cases of positives and negative we experience the profound
>>     effects of exponential growth. This crazy curve of constant growth
>>     that start small and much later increases in insane rates which
>>     has massive positive and negative effects. Its a crazy ride and
>>     will only get massively more crazy soon enough, especially now
>>     with the coming of the AI revolution.
>>
>>     I wonder the role Pharo will play in all this :)
>>
>>     On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:56 AM
>>     phil at highoctane.be
>>     <mailto:phil at highoctane.be>
>>     <phil at highoctane.be
>>     <mailto:phil at highoctane.be>> wrote:
>>
>>         Regression? Consider that 1 human on 5 is under the poverty
>>         line vs 1 on 2 not so many years ago and that a large
>>         percentage of the human population has been schooled in
>>         elementary matters (again, not the case not so far in the past).
>>
>>         That is a massive improvement!
>>
>>         Despite terrorist casualties, which compared to flu or car
>>         crashes, or even toddlers shooting relatives with guns is two
>>         orders of magnitude less, we live in the safest environment we
>>         have ever had. Not a regression at all.
>>
>>         http://www.fayard.fr/histoire-du-terrorisme-9782213687308 has
>>         a pretty useful background on their logic. Terrorism is the
>>         weapon of the weak in terms of fighting force, otherwise they
>>         would engage in a full on war to conquer the territory.
>>
>>         The psychological impact is just out of proportions vs the
>>         number of casualties.
>>
>>         I got rammed into by a truck last week and could have been
>>         killed. That's just a mundane occurence that statistically
>>         kills more people than any terrorist attack would.
>>
>>         Ref: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_de_la_route_en_France
>>         "Et depuis 1945, les chiffres sont aussi édifiants, car il
>>         faut parler d'au moins 500 000 morts, soit l'équivalent d'un
>>         grand conflit majeur, ou l'équivalent des pertes humaines
>>         subies en France lors de la Seconde Guerre mondiale."
>>
>>         Not to mention domestic accidents: "Chaque année en France,
>>         près de 20 000 personnes décèdent dans un accident domestique,
>>         c'est trois fois plus que sur la route."" Plus de la moitié
>>         des accidents de la vie courante concerne des enfants de 0 à
>>         16 ans. Et malgré les progrès accomplis depuis les années 80,
>>         c'est pour eux une des principales causes de décès prématurés.
>>         Produits ménagers ou médicaments accessibles, chaise haute non
>>         sanglée, table à langer instable. en quelques minutes, la vie
>>         peut tourner au drame. Il faut savoir que chez les
>>         tout-petits, c'est à l'intérieur de la maison que se situe le
>>         danger"
>>
>>         Best course of action is to keep on trucking and be a
>>         productive element of society. No matter what. YOLO after all.
>>
>>         Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:44 PM, stepharong
>>         <stepharong at free.fr
>>         <mailto:stepharong at free.fr>> wrote:
>>
>>             Indeed, immensely sad. Humanity is under regression.
>>             When you see that in Mali they destroyed the oldest world
>>             library.
>>             What sadden me the most is that in case of attacks in
>>             France, these attacks were made by brainwashed french
>>             citezen against french citizen contrary to what ugly
>>             "politician" would like that we think.
>>
>>                 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack
>>
>>                 It is really sad that these things happen, that so
>>                 many innocent people are killed and hurt. It makes me
>>                 even more sad that I seem to be getting used to this,
>>                 that should not be the case, at all.
>>
>>                 Sven
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Mark





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