[Pharo-project] Status of Alien FFI

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Fri Sep 18 12:48:57 EDT 2009


yes this is one of my dream but ....
I'm not good enough to make it come true.

Stef

On Sep 18, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Lawson English wrote:

> Johan Brichau wrote:
>> On 16 Sep 2009, at 20:37, Ken Treis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> * I'm creating a partial Alien library for GemStone so that I can
>>> use the CairoGraphics package in both Pharo and GLASS. But on
>>> x86-64, there there's a size difference between a pointer/long and
>>> an integer. It'd be nice to have some more explicit APIs on Alien,
>>> so I could say "Alien newCInteger" or "Alien newCLong" and have the
>>> platform return me the proper size Alien. Even without the platform
>>> size differences, it seems awkward to use "Alien newC: 4" everywhere
>>> I want an integer, "Alien newC: 8" where I want a double, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> It becomes worse once you start having structs and nested structs or
>> structs with pointers to structs ;-)
>>
>> I'm using Alien as the FFI to port JavaConnect from Visualworks to
>> Pharo/Squeak. As you say, it is a pain to work at such a low-level
>> compared to the DLLCC in VW. I am planning to do some work on  
>> creating
>> a higher-level interface for it such that we can operate it as you
>> mention, including the correct bytesizes for all platforms.
>>
>> At the moment, I'm mostly focusing on getting the port to work right
>> before I start creating an interface on top of the current Alien
>> interface.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Something to keep in mind is the need for a straightforward way of  
> going
> the other way: John Mcintosh's port of the Squeak VM to iPhone implies
> that the same thing could be done in other Lua-ish situations,  
> allowing
> people to use smalltalk syntax for game scripting. With the right
> libraries for an IDE, I would think squeak could be very attractive to
> at least some people in place of/in addition to using Lua.
>
>
> Lawson
>
>
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