Hi, I wanted to download the lastest version of Pharo 50 on this website: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/ After having downloaded the lastest version for Windows (pharo-win-latest.zip) and the image in Pharo.zip, I try to to open the image with Pharo.exe but nothing appears, and the application never opened. Has anyone already had this problem and could help me ? Thank you, Justine
Hi, For the latest Pharo 5 you need a new virtual machine: spur. You can get it at http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/pharo-win-stable.zip To manage your images you can use the latest version of Pharo Launcher that will choose the right VM if you give the paths in the settings. ( http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7EPharo/PharoLauncher) -- Cyril On Friday, January 22, 2016, Justine STIENNE <justine.stienne@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I wanted to download the lastest version of Pharo 50 on this website: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/ After having downloaded the lastest version for Windows (pharo-win-latest.zip) and the image in Pharo.zip, I try to to open the image with Pharo.exe but nothing appears, and the application never opened. Has anyone already had this problem and could help me ?
Thank you, Justine
-- Cheers Cyril Ferlicot
Hi, I always have the same problem. When I want to open the image, Pharo is loading but it never becomes opened. Thanks in advance, Justine 2016-01-22 11:18 GMT+01:00 Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot@gmail.com>:
Hi,
For the latest Pharo 5 you need a new virtual machine: spur.
You can get it at http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/pharo-win-stable.zip
To manage your images you can use the latest version of Pharo Launcher that will choose the right VM if you give the paths in the settings. ( http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7EPharo/PharoLauncher)
-- Cyril
On Friday, January 22, 2016, Justine STIENNE <justine.stienne@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I wanted to download the lastest version of Pharo 50 on this website: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/ After having downloaded the lastest version for Windows (pharo-win-latest.zip) and the image in Pharo.zip, I try to to open the image with Pharo.exe but nothing appears, and the application never opened. Has anyone already had this problem and could help me ?
Thank you, Justine
-- Cheers Cyril Ferlicot
On 28-01-16 15:45, Justine STIENNE wrote:
I always have the same problem. When I want to open the image, Pharo is loading but it never becomes opened.
Did you manage to get it to work? The new spur vm cannot open old images, and the old vm cannot open the new images. Though you could change the image format from old to new, it normally is a better idea to just load your code into a fresh image. Another thing is that you also need the sources file. Stephan
Milton also cannot open a Pharo 5 image with Spur. There is nothing obvious we missed. Alexandre
On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:14 AM, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
On 28-01-16 15:45, Justine STIENNE wrote:
I always have the same problem. When I want to open the image, Pharo is loading but it never becomes opened.
Did you manage to get it to work?
The new spur vm cannot open old images, and the old vm cannot open the new images. Though you could change the image format from old to new, it normally is a better idea to just load your code into a fresh image. Another thing is that you also need the sources file.
Stephan
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I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her, I just don't get why. It was working with the pre-spur VM + pharo 5 with the same configuration for both her and I, now it is not working anymore. I miss something probably obvious too, Franck
From: alexandre.bergel@me.com Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 08:00:36 -0800 To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows CC: akevalion@gmail.com
Milton also cannot open a Pharo 5 image with Spur. There is nothing obvious we missed.
Alexandre
On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:14 AM, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
On 28-01-16 15:45, Justine STIENNE wrote:
I always have the same problem. When I want to open the image, Pharo is loading but it never becomes opened.
Did you manage to get it to work?
The new spur vm cannot open old images, and the old vm cannot open the new images. Though you could change the image format from old to new, it normally is a better idea to just load your code into a fresh image. Another thing is that you also need the sources file.
Stephan
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On 31/01/2016 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her, I just don't get why. It was working with the pre-spur VM + pharo 5 with the same configuration for both her and I, now it is not working anymore. I miss something probably obvious too,
Franck
Do you get some info if you try to launch it via commad line? An error maybe? -- Cyril
No because I don't have any error, but maybe Justine does. We should check (even I don't ever use command line on windows, so maybe I will not be able to do it) Franck
To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org From: cyril.ferlicot@gmail.com Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:00:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
On 31/01/2016 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her, I just don't get why. It was working with the pre-spur VM + pharo 5 with the same configuration for both her and I, now it is not working anymore. I miss something probably obvious too,
Franck
Do you get some info if you try to launch it via commad line? An error maybe?
-- Cyril
Le 31/01/2016 19:38, Franck Warlouzet a écrit :
No because I don't have any error, but maybe Justine does. We should check (even I don't ever use command line on windows, so maybe I will not be able to do it)
Franck
Super + R then type cmd and press enter Then you can drag and drop the Pharo.exe, let a space, drag and drop the XXX.image. If there is a problem you should have an error in the terminal or in a window. -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in several directories, I'm organized). Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in protected directories in Justine's case ? Franck
To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org From: stephan@stack.nl Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
Stephan
On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr> wrote:
For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in several directories, I'm organized).
Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in protected directories in Justine's case ?
it has to be⦠otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :( Esteban
Franck
To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> From: stephan@stack.nl <mailto:stephan@stack.nl> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
Stephan
To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org From: stephan@stack.nl Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
Stephan
On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr> wrote:
For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in several directories, I'm organized).
Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in protected directories in Justine's case ?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
it has to be⦠otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(
One thing to consider... if the Image was installed into a protected folder by an administrator, and then opened and then saved by a standard-user, Windows presents *very* strange and *misleading* behaviour, which I describe here... http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-Windows-td4733900.html#a4740... Basically, the files installed into Window's protected folders *must* be read only, or all hell breaks loose :). When the standard-user tries to write to Pharo.image in the protected folder, Windows (ever soooo helpful) doesn't complain but *silently* takes a shadow copy of the protected folder into the standard-user's folder which can be written to. It then *transparently* makes it seem like the file in the original location was updated, for that user. The same happens for other users so that for a single file location (e.g. "C:\..\protected\Pharo.image") each user sees different data. Should the original file be *really* updated by an administrator installing an upgrade, the standard-users don't see the change. They still see only their own custom unique shadow version of Pharo.image. This is really *evil* behaviour, so its good to share from this info from time to time, even if its not the cause in this case. btw, you can easily confirm this yourself just using notepad to edit a protected txt file while switching a few times between Admin and Standard-User accounts. Some things have to be seen to be believed. cheers -ben
Thank you everybody. Now it's working :-) Justine 2016-02-01 17:55 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>:
To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org From: stephan@stack.nl Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
Stephan
On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr> wrote:
For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in several directories, I'm organized).
Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in protected directories in Justine's case ?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
it has to be⦠otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(
One thing to consider... if the Image was installed into a protected folder by an administrator, and then opened and then saved by a standard-user, Windows presents *very* strange and *misleading* behaviour, which I describe here...
http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-Windows-td4733900.html#a4740...
Basically, the files installed into Window's protected folders *must* be read only, or all hell breaks loose :). When the standard-user tries to write to Pharo.image in the protected folder, Windows (ever soooo helpful) doesn't complain but *silently* takes a shadow copy of the protected folder into the standard-user's folder which can be written to. It then *transparently* makes it seem like the file in the original location was updated, for that user. The same happens for other users so that for a single file location (e.g. "C:\..\protected\Pharo.image") each user sees different data.
Should the original file be *really* updated by an administrator installing an upgrade, the standard-users don't see the change. They still see only their own custom unique shadow version of Pharo.image. This is really *evil* behaviour, so its good to share from this info from time to time, even if its not the cause in this case.
btw, you can easily confirm this yourself just using notepad to edit a protected txt file while switching a few times between Admin and Standard-User accounts. Some things have to be seen to be believed.
cheers -ben
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Justine STIENNE <justine.stienne@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you everybody. Now it's working :-)
Cool. Can you report the solution to help the next person that might be stuck by the same thing? cheers -ben
Justine
2016-02-01 17:55 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>:
To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org From: stephan@stack.nl Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
Stephan
On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr> wrote:
For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in several directories, I'm organized).
Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in protected directories in Justine's case ?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
it has to be⦠otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(
One thing to consider... if the Image was installed into a protected folder by an administrator, and then opened and then saved by a standard-user, Windows presents *very* strange and *misleading* behaviour, which I describe here...
http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-Windows-td4733900.html#a4740...
Basically, the files installed into Window's protected folders *must* be read only, or all hell breaks loose :). When the standard-user tries to write to Pharo.image in the protected folder, Windows (ever soooo helpful) doesn't complain but *silently* takes a shadow copy of the protected folder into the standard-user's folder which can be written to. It then *transparently* makes it seem like the file in the original location was updated, for that user. The same happens for other users so that for a single file location (e.g. "C:\..\protected\Pharo.image") each user sees different data.
Should the original file be *really* updated by an administrator installing an upgrade, the standard-users don't see the change. They still see only their own custom unique shadow version of Pharo.image. This is really *evil* behaviour, so its good to share from this info from time to time, even if its not the cause in this case.
btw, you can easily confirm this yourself just using notepad to edit a protected txt file while switching a few times between Admin and Standard-User accounts. Some things have to be seen to be believed.
cheers -ben
Finally it's not working. Yesterday, when I opened it, it was working and this morning, when i tried, it was not working. So there is no solution. And I'm not the only one to have this problem. Because I've tried in an other computer, and it was exactly the same. I was looking on tasks management and in details I have the application Pharo.exe running even when I restart the computer. When I want to stop the task, it said me : "The transaction could not be completed. Access denied". I dont know what to do more... Thanks in advance, Justine 2016-02-01 23:39 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>:
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Justine STIENNE <justine.stienne@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you everybody. Now it's working :-)
Cool. Can you report the solution to help the next person that might be stuck by the same thing? cheers -ben
Justine
2016-02-01 17:55 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>:
To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org From: stephan@stack.nl Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
Stephan
On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <
franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr>
wrote:
For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in several directories, I'm organized).
Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in protected directories in Justine's case ?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
it has to be⦠otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(
One thing to consider... if the Image was installed into a protected folder by an administrator, and then opened and then saved by a standard-user, Windows presents *very* strange and *misleading* behaviour, which I describe here...
http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-Windows-td4733900.html#a4740...
Basically, the files installed into Window's protected folders *must* be read only, or all hell breaks loose :). When the standard-user tries to write to Pharo.image in the protected folder, Windows (ever soooo helpful) doesn't complain but *silently* takes a shadow copy of the protected folder into the standard-user's folder which can be written to. It then *transparently* makes it seem like the file in the original location was updated, for that user. The same happens for other users so that for a single file location (e.g. "C:\..\protected\Pharo.image") each user sees different data.
Should the original file be *really* updated by an administrator installing an upgrade, the standard-users don't see the change. They still see only their own custom unique shadow version of Pharo.image. This is really *evil* behaviour, so its good to share from this info from time to time, even if its not the cause in this case.
btw, you can easily confirm this yourself just using notepad to edit a protected txt file while switching a few times between Admin and Standard-User accounts. Some things have to be seen to be believed.
cheers -ben
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Cyril Ferlicot D.
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Esteban Lorenzano -
Franck Warlouzet -
Justine STIENNE -
Stephan Eggermont