Ben Coman schreef op 31-3-2014 18:30:

Roelof Wobben wrote:

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Hello,

I almost get book 1 ready.

Now I wonder if there are challenges so I can practise more in Smaltalk. I know I learn the best by doing things and not just read about it.

I like the most if the challenges can start at simple and get more complex .

As example what I mean is 99 prolog/python problems

Roelof

I'm not aware of anything similar. It does look interesting and probably something that should be looked into further.

Alternatively, sorry its not a challenge, but as a next step I highly recommend LaserGame tutorial http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/

for which you'll should Squeak 3.9 (a predecessor to Pharo) http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/

The great thing with this is it leads you through a uniquely Smalltalk approach to developing that is colloquially known as "developing from within the debugger" and it shows how to use Smalltalk facilities to refactor code as the design evolves. From the tutorial "Every step of the process is described in detail. Even when I made mistakes. The idea here is to show how natural it is to iterate over design and implementation and the confidence that builds with test driven development."

This tutorial is one of the things that really hooked me into Smalltalk.

cheers -ben

Thanks, this looks very interresting. And I think at first glance it can be done on Pharo also. If I have enough knowlegde Im thinking about tryimg to make a sort of repo-browser for the linux distro I work on. But that will take a long time before I am at that point. Roelof

That book is too advanced I think. On 31 Mar 2014, at 19:07, phil@highoctane.be wrote:

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben@home.nl> wrote: Ben Coman schreef op 31-3-2014 18:30: Roelof Wobben wrote: Hello,

I almost get book 1 ready.

Now I wonder if there are challenges so I can practise more in Smaltalk. I know I learn the best by doing things and not just read about it.

I like the most if the challenges can start at simple and get more complex .

As example what I mean is 99 prolog/python problems

Roelof

I'm not aware of anything similar. It does look interesting and probably something that should be looked into further.

Alternatively, sorry its not a challenge, but as a next step I highly recommend LaserGame tutorial http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/

for which you'll should Squeak 3.9 (a predecessor to Pharo) http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/

The great thing with this is it leads you through a uniquely Smalltalk approach to developing that is colloquially known as "developing from within the debugger" and it shows how to use Smalltalk facilities to refactor code as the design evolves. From the tutorial "Every step of the process is described in detail. Even when I made mistakes. The idea here is to show how natural it is to iterate over design and implementation and the confidence that builds with test driven development."

This tutorial is one of the things that really hooked me into Smalltalk.

cheers -ben

Thanks, this looks very interresting. And I think at first glance it can be done on Pharo also.

If I have enough knowlegde Im thinking about tryimg to make a sort of repo-browser for the linux distro I work on. But that will take a long time before I am at that point.

Roelof

If you want to stretch the envelope, get a copy of this one:

http://www.lulu.com/shop/andres-valloud/a-mentoring-course-on-smalltalk/pape...

And make the exercises...

You'll not be the same afterwards.

Phil

On 31 Mar 2014, at 20:01, phil@highoctane.be wrote:

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote: That book is too advanced I think.

That set of Andrès books sure made my head hurt.

Like in: Read a couple pages. Feel dizzy. Re-read. Code. Think. Grok. Go for more.

But every section has very practical uses.

Don't get me wrong, it is an excellent book, well worth the read, but I think it is most useful when you already have a decent basis. I found it one of the best, if not the best book about programming I ever read.

Phil

On 31 Mar 2014, at 19:07, phil@highoctane.be wrote:

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On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben@home.nl> wrote: Ben Coman schreef op 31-3-2014 18:30: Roelof Wobben wrote: Hello,

I almost get book 1 ready.

Now I wonder if there are challenges so I can practise more in Smaltalk. I know I learn the best by doing things and not just read about it.

I like the most if the challenges can start at simple and get more complex .

As example what I mean is 99 prolog/python problems

Roelof

I'm not aware of anything similar. It does look interesting and probably something that should be looked into further.

Alternatively, sorry its not a challenge, but as a next step I highly recommend LaserGame tutorial http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/

for which you'll should Squeak 3.9 (a predecessor to Pharo) http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/

The great thing with this is it leads you through a uniquely Smalltalk approach to developing that is colloquially known as "developing from within the debugger" and it shows how to use Smalltalk facilities to refactor code as the design evolves. From the tutorial "Every step of the process is described in detail. Even when I made mistakes. The idea here is to show how natural it is to iterate over design and implementation and the confidence that builds with test driven development."

This tutorial is one of the things that really hooked me into Smalltalk.

cheers -ben

Thanks, this looks very interresting. And I think at first glance it can be done on Pharo also.

If I have enough knowlegde Im thinking about tryimg to make a sort of repo-browser for the linux distro I work on. But that will take a long time before I am at that point.

Roelof

If you want to stretch the envelope, get a copy of this one:

http://www.lulu.com/shop/andres-valloud/a-mentoring-course-on-smalltalk/pape...

And make the exercises...

You'll not be the same afterwards.

Phil