Spotter: How to see more beyond #/##
Spotter is showing me "Classes 5/26". How do I see the remaining 21? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Hi, Select any of that 5 items and use CMD (Alt on windows,linux)+Shift+Right. Of course shortcuts in spotter are not very obvious, so we are planning to add hints and have all actions to present as buttons in UI Cheers, Alex On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Spotter is showing me "Classes 5/26". How do I see the remaining 21?
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
I've been meaning to ask the same question. In light of your answer, Would you consider being able to place the cursor on the line "Classes 5/26" line, and using the standard CMD-Right rather than CMD-Shift-Right. To me that seems to follow the pattern of CMD-Right "opening up" an item. cheers -ben On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Select any of that 5 items and use CMD (Alt on windows,linux)+Shift+Right. Of course shortcuts in spotter are not very obvious, so we are planning to add hints and have all actions to present as buttons in UI
Cheers, Alex
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Spotter is showing me "Classes 5/26". How do I see the remaining 21?
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Maybe I'm not getting it but, Why not just using "Right"? El Thu Feb 05 2015 at 10:43:39 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> escribió:
I've been meaning to ask the same question. In light of your answer, Would you consider being able to place the cursor on the line "Classes 5/26" line, and using the standard CMD-Right rather than CMD-Shift-Right. To me that seems to follow the pattern of CMD-Right "opening up" an item.
cheers -ben
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Select any of that 5 items and use CMD (Alt on windows,linux)+Shift+Right. Of course shortcuts in spotter are not very obvious, so we are planning to add hints and have all actions to present as buttons in UI
Cheers, Alex
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Spotter is showing me "Classes 5/26". How do I see the remaining 21?
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
because right controls the search input box cursor. Maybe a shortcut to switch focus between input search box and the search results panel could cut down the complexity of the shortcuts considerably. On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I'm not getting it but, Why not just using "Right"?
El Thu Feb 05 2015 at 10:43:39 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> escribió:
I've been meaning to ask the same question. In light of your answer,
Would you consider being able to place the cursor on the line "Classes 5/26" line, and using the standard CMD-Right rather than CMD-Shift-Right. To me that seems to follow the pattern of CMD-Right "opening up" an item.
cheers -ben
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Select any of that 5 items and use CMD (Alt on windows,linux)+Shift+Right. Of course shortcuts in spotter are not very obvious, so we are planning to add hints and have all actions to present as buttons in UI
Cheers, Alex
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Spotter is showing me "Classes 5/26". How do I see the remaining 21?
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
kilon.alios wrote
because right controls the search input box cursor
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Guillermo Polito <
guillermopolito@
> wrote:
Maybe I'm not getting it but, Why not just using "Right"?
Ha ha ha, I was thinking the same thing! But it seems obvious now. I think discoverability + "mouse click on the 5/26 line" (with maybe some kind of icon inviting a click) would help a lot. Regarding shortcuts in general, what is the status of the dream we had when we starting investigating keymapping and friends years ago - "let users totally customize shortcuts"? While it's good to have a reasonable default, no hardcoded solution will make everyone happy... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696p4803921.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Hi, Yes. As Alex said, we want all actions to have a visual representation. This is on our todo list. As for configurability, there is no grand plan at the moment. We could indeed expose shortcuts as settings. Cheers, Doru On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
kilon.alios wrote
because right controls the search input box cursor
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Guillermo Polito <
guillermopolito@
> wrote:
Maybe I'm not getting it but, Why not just using "Right"?
Ha ha ha, I was thinking the same thing! But it seems obvious now. I think discoverability + "mouse click on the 5/26 line" (with maybe some kind of icon inviting a click) would help a lot.
Regarding shortcuts in general, what is the status of the dream we had when we starting investigating keymapping and friends years ago - "let users totally customize shortcuts"? While it's good to have a reasonable default, no hardcoded solution will make everyone happy...
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696p4803921.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Le 5/2/15 14:38, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi,
Yes. As Alex said, we want all actions to have a visual representation. This is on our todo list. The question is why should we learn a visual representation presenting "cmd"-> is more effective (there are plenty of research paper on UI learnability) that a triangle.
Stef
As for configurability, there is no grand plan at the moment. We could indeed expose shortcuts as settings.
Cheers, Doru
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> wrote:
kilon.alios wrote > because right controls the search input box cursor > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Guillermo Polito <
> guillermopolito@
> > wrote: >> Maybe I'm not getting it but, Why not just using "Right"?
Ha ha ha, I was thinking the same thing! But it seems obvious now. I think discoverability + "mouse click on the 5/26 line" (with maybe some kind of icon inviting a click) would help a lot.
Regarding shortcuts in general, what is the status of the dream we had when we starting investigating keymapping and friends years ago - "let users totally customize shortcuts"? While it's good to have a reasonable default, no hardcoded solution will make everyone happy...
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696p4803921.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com>
"Every thing has its own flow"
+1 on what Stef said. And for what itâs worth, I think that the biggest step to add usability of the spotter right now would be a simple legend at the bottom of the results. It would list the shortcut keys applicable to the current selection with a small description of what they do. Itâs not sexy and exiting to implement but it will be a huge help. For example, such a legend would have eliminated all the questions and conversations on the spotter that happened this week.
On Feb 7, 2015, at 15:50, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Le 5/2/15 14:38, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi,
Yes. As Alex said, we want all actions to have a visual representation. This is on our todo list. The question is why should we learn a visual representation presenting "cmd"-> is more effective (there are plenty of research paper on UI learnability) that a triangle.
Stef
As for configurability, there is no grand plan at the moment. We could indeed expose shortcuts as settings.
Cheers, Doru
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Hi, I agree (again) that the shortcuts are not well explained and we will work on it. Showing a list of all actions far away from the context in which they should be used is more of a patch than a solution though. Let us search for a better way :). Tooltips will probably be the first thing we'll try. Cheers, Doru On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
+1 on what Stef said.
And for what itâs worth, I think that the biggest step to add usability of the spotter right now would be a simple legend at the bottom of the results. It would list the shortcut keys applicable to the current selection with a small description of what they do. Itâs not sexy and exiting to implement but it will be a huge help. For example, such a legend would have eliminated all the questions and conversations on the spotter that happened this week.
On Feb 7, 2015, at 15:50, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Le 5/2/15 14:38, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi,
Yes. As Alex said, we want all actions to have a visual representation. This is on our todo list.
The question is why should we learn a visual representation presenting "cmd"-> is more effective (there are plenty of research paper on UI learnability) that a triangle.
Stef
As for configurability, there is no grand plan at the moment. We could indeed expose shortcuts as settings.
Cheers, Doru
---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
What is it that Marcus always says? âThe perfect is the enemy of progressâ or something like that ;-) Sure, letâs search for a better way, but can we have some intermediate solution in the mean time? For example, I think that just above the entry field you could put 1 line of keyboard shortcuts, in a smaller font. The eye is looking there when typing anyway.
On Feb 7, 2015, at 23:46, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
I agree (again) that the shortcuts are not well explained and we will work on it. Showing a list of all actions far away from the context in which they should be used is more of a patch than a solution though. Let us search for a better way :). Tooltips will probably be the first thing we'll try.
Cheers, Doru
On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote:
+1 on what Stef said.
And for what itâs worth, I think that the biggest step to add usability of the spotter right now would be a simple legend at the bottom of the results. It would list the shortcut keys applicable to the current selection with a small description of what they do. Itâs not sexy and exiting to implement but it will be a huge help. For example, such a legend would have eliminated all the questions and conversations on the spotter that happened this week.
On Feb 7, 2015, at 15:50, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote:
Le 5/2/15 14:38, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi,
Yes. As Alex said, we want all actions to have a visual representation. This is on our todo list. The question is why should we learn a visual representation presenting "cmd"-> is more effective (there are plenty of research paper on UI learnability) that a triangle.
Stef
As for configurability, there is no grand plan at the moment. We could indeed expose shortcuts as settings.
Cheers, Doru
---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <http://emailcharter.org/> <---
Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry <http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/>
"Every thing has its own flow"
---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
Hi Stef, I think we are misunderstanding our terms :) Let's take an example: When you have the default Spotter, don't you feel like clicking on the triangle that goes outside of the normal bounds of the window? And once you do that, does that not teach you about a new functionality without any manual? It did so with all people I tried it on. That is what I mean by having visual representations for actions. Ideally, everything that is possible should also have a visible aspect to it that should guide as a teacher. Right now, we do not do a good job at teaching shortcuts, and this will be improved. Cheers, Doru On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:50 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Le 5/2/15 14:38, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi,
Yes. As Alex said, we want all actions to have a visual representation. This is on our todo list.
The question is why should we learn a visual representation presenting "cmd"-> is more effective (there are plenty of research paper on UI learnability) that a triangle.
Stef
As for configurability, there is no grand plan at the moment. We could indeed expose shortcuts as settings.
Cheers, Doru
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
kilon.alios wrote
because right controls the search input box cursor
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Guillermo Polito <
guillermopolito@
> wrote:
Maybe I'm not getting it but, Why not just using "Right"?
Ha ha ha, I was thinking the same thing! But it seems obvious now. I think discoverability + "mouse click on the 5/26 line" (with maybe some kind of icon inviting a click) would help a lot.
Regarding shortcuts in general, what is the status of the dream we had when we starting investigating keymapping and friends years ago - "let users totally customize shortcuts"? While it's good to have a reasonable default, no hardcoded solution will make everyone happy...
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696p4803921.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
Hi, Switching is costly, and we went to great lengths to not have any switching between the text and the list in spotter. This won't change :). But, there will likely be some way to switch to the preview, but this is still a work in progress. Cheers, Doru On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
because right controls the search input box cursor. Maybe a shortcut to switch focus between input search box and the search results panel could cut down the complexity of the shortcuts considerably.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Guillermo Polito < guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe I'm not getting it but, Why not just using "Right"?
El Thu Feb 05 2015 at 10:43:39 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> escribió:
I've been meaning to ask the same question. In light of your answer,
Would you consider being able to place the cursor on the line "Classes 5/26" line, and using the standard CMD-Right rather than CMD-Shift-Right. To me that seems to follow the pattern of CMD-Right "opening up" an item.
cheers -ben
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Select any of that 5 items and use CMD (Alt on windows,linux)+Shift+Right. Of course shortcuts in spotter are not very obvious, so we are planning to add hints and have all actions to present as buttons in UI
Cheers, Alex
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com
wrote:
Spotter is showing me "Classes 5/26". How do I see the remaining 21?
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spotter-How-to-see-more-beyond-tp4803696.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
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